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Giveaway of the day — PD Artist 11

A full featured, dedicated painting and image manipulation tool.
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User rating: 62 (72%) 24 (28%) 86 comments

PD Artist 11 was available as a giveaway on September 3, 2018!

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PD Artist is a natural media painter. It's based on Howler digital painter. It contains all of the painting and photo editing tools, and only excludes the animation features. Everything is here, from realistic oils and watercolor, to naturally simulated bristle brushes, foliage painting, and custom brushes, and, of course, full digitizing tablet support. PD Artist is like an art store in a box!

System Requirements:

Windows 7/ 8/ 10; SSE2 is required (All modern machines should have it) ; For the best experience, your PC needs to have a 1200x800 or higher screen, and the .NET Framework 4 installed for a small number of plug-ins.

Publisher:

Project Dogwaffle

Homepage:

http://squirreldome.com/Artist.htm

File Size:

104 MB

Price:

$27

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#24

i had seen the comments from the start, heart drops as many unsuccessful run.
i really want to try this type new s/w, just bang on it 1/2 hour ago.
lucky, installed with no issues on Windows10 x64.
luckier, dl at once to my notebook,
w/o going via fb or email approach for the past 1 week.

need time to explore this s/w.
Thanks to GOTD and Project Dogwaffle.

Reply   |   Comment by donald  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

donald, glad you made it - there is a lot to explore, around 980 tutorials on one of the YouTube channels alone, www.youtube.com/pdhowler - there are playlists, one for PD ARtist, but lots of things there from Howler also applicable for Artist edition, just not the animation/video parts.

starting point to many tutorials at thebest3d.com/dogwaffle/tuts

starting point to PD Artist specifically at thebest3d.com/pda

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)
#23

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Project Dogwaffle Professional
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Run-time error '339':

Component 'COMCTL32.OCX' not correctly registered: file is missing or invalid
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OK
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Reply   |   Comment by Stephen Kunkel  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-1)

I just uninstalled DPArtist using Revo Uninstaller, and the PDArtist uninstaller had left behind 721 registry keys!

Reply   |   Comment by Stephen Kunkel  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

Stephen Kunkel, this often can be reset by running it once as administrator.
http://www.thebest3d.com/howler/steam/runtime-error-339/index.html

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+4)
#22

I have McAfee. I do not know how to turn it off.
It says it quarantined a file JTI/Suspect.196612!5fedeb7c4727

can anyone tell me how to deactivate McAfee so that the install can proceed?

Reply   |   Comment by RANDY :K  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-1)

RANDY :K, on the taskbar, right-hand side look for the arrow in the UP direction, click on that then put your arrow over the icon of McAfee click on them for the menu to temporarily disable the internet protection. Also I have found a link to help you further ...


https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+to+disable+net+protection+for+macafee&docid=608039123971933351&mid=9519771B46E9CC5E206A9519771B46E9CC5E206A&view=detail&FORM=VIREHT

Reply   |   Comment by Arctic Wolf  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)
#21

downloaded in 20 seconds. installed in 3 1/2 minutes
works great. nice textures. this will be fun. thank you

Reply   |   Comment by Bob  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-3)
#20

setup slightly tricky. Installation program had to install some run-time C components half way through installation which required a restart of computer, then had to install again from scratch.

First impressions - slightly daunting painter with lots of options. Probably to powerful for most of my needs. Suit a professional artist or similar.

Reply   |   Comment by Stephen  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

yes, there are two runtime distributables for C++ or such getting installed. No restart needed though, at least not on my WIndows 10. What OS are you on? What made you conclude that a restart was needed in your case?

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)
#19

Didn't work, tried a few times to unpack from a unique folder, it activates and will open PD Artist 11 activated — what next? in a browser window, and then nothing, no sign of the program it just didn't download. can anyone suggest anything, please.
Thanks

Reply   |   Comment by June  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-2)
#18

Several years ago I had an earlier Giveaway version of Project Dogwaffle (Howler, I believe) on an old XP computer. It had very nice "natural media" digital paintbrush effects.

I am glad to see today's offer for a similar/improved/new-version title that works properly on my Windows 10 PC with 4K display -- very nice -- and the "buy" option is priced well below that of Twisted Brush Pro (also a VERY nice natural media digital paint brush program) recently offered on August 23, 2018 (but I missed it!).

Thanks, GOTD & Project Dogwaffle!

Reply   |   Comment by HMarx  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-2)

Twisted Brush is indeed a good choice too, and we've worked together on some things in the past such as Lua filters. If you have Lua (gluas) filters without extensions that are unique to T.B. or to P.D., you can use them across the two and likely also the GIMP

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)

Philip Staiger,

Thanks for that bit of information, it should be useful and I'll try it out sometime. Nice to know there are "gentlemen's agreements" to share efforts between developers.

BTW, I had a bit of a time finding this page again -- it's a bit of an orphan page. I could only find a link to it using the Archives calendar on the home page, knowing that it was (one of) yesterday's offer(s), or by a search for "dogwaffle" of course. Did you know that the previous day/next day links to titles at the bottom of the Sept. 2 & 4 offers do not link to this page? I suppose the GOTD staff has to make a choice when there are multiple titles offered on a single day.

Again, thanks for your generous offer of this fine program here on GOTD!

Reply   |   Comment by HMarx  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-1)
#17

One thing I've noticed, is that the install.exe program is inside a zip compressed folder. If you close this folder before the installation is complete, it will probably fail, because those compressed files are only available while the folder is open.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)

Daniel Ritchie, it's in fact worse than that, if you open a zip archive in windows explorer nothing is extracted and accessible unless it is explicitly opened by a windows explorer activity so if one double clicks on the setup.exe in the opened zip file the executable will not see the setup.gcd because its not been opened by windows explorer. We have to use windows explorers context menu option "Extract All" on the zip archive and select the option to open the extracted folder after extraction completes or words to that effect. and then run the setup.exe

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

it will fail even without closing the zip, because you can run the setup.exe alright but it won't look for the dependent other file in the zip, it expects it in a space like a Temp subfolder. Somrthing like that. I rarely find it working when installing from within a zip directly, unless the installer is fully self-contained. This one isn't, so much better to extract the files from the zip than try install from inside the zip

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#16

how to install it:

You'll download a zip archive. Save it, don't open it or nor try to run installers from inside the zip.

Save the downlaoded zip. Sample name I get: PDArtist11-dh19ai.zip
Exact file size: 108 MB (114,196,590 bytes)

Checksum info:
Name: PDArtist11-dh19ai.zip
Size: 114196590 bytes (108 MiB)
CRC32: E5D5AA2C
CRC64: 0C218C366190DCC6
SHA256: AE011BF4AB12285D98DA1D12F83AD3D3B23DB51B845D145850861E9AB584882D
SHA1: 53AE5B107D6E413299FB4D84D2581E928F147CBC
BLAKE2sp: BC4161267922AA9E3AECE14F45467FC3833943ADC91D82B6A4B0CBD1E1A372B8

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

After downloading and saving the zip, extract its content. Don't enter the zip to run from inside of it. Extract the files into a subfolder. Right-click the zip file and use Extract All. Should create a subfolder of like name. You can then enter that subfolder, and find the 3 files:

C:\Users\Owner\Downloads\PDArtist11-dh19ai

Readme.txt --------- 2.17 KB (2,226 bytes)
Setup.exe ------------ 2.42 MB (2,542,688 bytes)
Setup.gcd -------------- 106 MB (112,070,950 bytes)

If you have difference sizes, your download may be incomplete. I dunno.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)

Here is a step by step installation guide, my experience.

http://thebest3d.com/gotd/how-to-install/

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#15

It says above that this is the PD Artist 11 version, yet once installed, if you go under Help/About it says that it's a "Special GOTD Edition" version 6.00.11.4

So is this giveaway version 11 or 6?

Reply   |   Comment by JimK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)

It's 11.4. The 6.00. is internal numbering. The 11.4 at the end is the version.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+5)

JimK, think of the 6.00 as the generation of the software (linked somewhat loosely to how many times the laptop died or was stolen and much of the code had to be rewritten - yes there is a story behind it there :-) ). But indeed the final number reveals the version number.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-1)

Philip Staiger, Thanks for the explanation! And would you mind sharing what's the limitations of the GOTD version compared to the one offered on your Website?

And, I want to thank you for the very useful videos you have on your YouTube channel! Keep them coming!

Reply   |   Comment by JimK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#14

Add-on to my previous comment: I was able to install it. I just had to deactivate my Avast anti-virus for 10 minutes, and the software installed correctly.

It's now working fine, though I find the GUI a bit old, compared to today's standards. It reminded me of an app from the 1990's... lol But for the price I paid... can't complain!

Reply   |   Comment by JimK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

I'm surprised about this comment, i.e. the old GUI feeling (?). It's rather new, IMHO. Reminds me of After effects and others, not older than 4-5 years ago.

Where did we miss the turn of the century? Just curious, care to explain? I got used to it.I may be blinded.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#13

How long the 50% discount is valid?

Reply   |   Comment by ocimpean  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-4)

ocimpean, the 50% discount is good through end of September. And you can use it in two ways: either to upgrade to PD Howler, or to get PD Artist at discount (resulting in around $13.50) if you missed installing it during the free 24hour period.

Or if you told a friend and they want in, they can have it for the price of a movie ticket or two Ventis, basically.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#12

Installed with no issues n Windows 10 64bit
I played with it for a bit, thought I was Picasso for a minute.

Reply   |   Comment by Robert L.  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)

Robert L., you're Rembrandt, don't take that away from Picasso :-)

Try 3D rendering a landscape with Puppy Ray, starting from a elevation map in filter > Render > Plasma noise...
then filter > Transform > Puppy Ray > Puppy Ray GPU

and open the "More" option for extra controls.

Come back when you're done exploring. Say,... in 2 years?

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+5)

Okay, I will do that Philip Staiger.

Reply   |   Comment by Robert L.  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#11

I have downloaded the whole program. Extracted it in a unique folder. Ran the Setup.exe file (as Admin), and.... nothing! The only message I receive is that it is "Sucessfully activated..."

I didn't have any option to choose the location, and othe stuff.
The program is activated, but I can't find it anywhere!

What is being activated???

Where is the program?

Reply   |   Comment by JimK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-3)

JimK, If it installed correctly, you should be able to find it under the "recently added" tab on the start bar (windows 10) or by typing "Project Dogwaffle Artist" into the search box.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)

JimK, you don't get these installation steps?

http://thebest3d.com/gotd/how-to-install/

Check the size of the big file of 3.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#10

Didn't install even with AV off.
Tried in Safe Mode with Network & it installed ok and now up and running !

Reply   |   Comment by Stewart Wallace  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

Stewart Wallace, that's odd. I had no trouble with it, even with antivirus (ESET). On WIndows 10.

The zip archive you get to download has 3 files, one is indeed the setup.exe, and it will use the bigger file (over 100 MB in size). It will go through a normal installation, typical installer stuff. It also installs MS runtimes that are needed.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#9

Hi, PD Artist is a natural media painter (...) It contains all of the painting and photo editing tools..
About 'PHOTO editing tools'! - Any 'Painter' Program that allows to USE photo Images to create interesting Effects (and this one allows) SURELY doesn't make simple action such as opening Photo Image in it that mighty complicated, confusing and misleading??

Trying to see how it works I must have spend good 2 hrs (..yes!) trying to figure out why my image for testing (jpg, size 1280x720) will NOT open properly after using: 1) open, 2) import, 3) browse, 4) drag&drop..
ALL of them cut the top and sides of my Image no matter what! That is AFTER looking into all possible Options and Settings, like scaling, resizing, converting to different format, viewing in 100% mode, changing 'default' size of Page on opening to 1280x720 (for testing my image alone)..??

But NO, every time I manage to see my photo 'on the desk' of PD Artist - there is persisting black BLOCK on the top of it, and after applying one of artistic Effects onto it - SAVING it (again using 'save', or 'export') - results in either saving that black BLOCK on top of it as well, or my new Image (called Image2 by PD Artist) - is completely BLACK! Looking into Help Files in photo-editing Section - doesn't work either, waste of time, sorry Howler Guys!

And all promised here (together with wetting one's appetite what can be achieved!?).. http://www.thebest3d.com/pda/index11.html#about

Shame it cannot deliver on ONE simple action: Get that darn photo into it simply and properly like other Artistic Programs can! Grrhh. Must look in my spare time into previously given away their 'main' Software called Project Dogwaffle Howler, to give it one more chance, or time to uninstall both, shame.

Reply   |   Comment by fran  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+9)

fran, tried to reproduce the troubles you've been having with various input files to no avail. Only Open and browse allow and drag and drop seem to allow JPG/PNG import... they use imagemagick convert.exe to convert to a bitmap for internal use and the whole process can time out on large JPG files, like 109Mpixel 8848x12402 poster I made with some other giveaway ages ago, seems to be ok on smaller more normal JPG sizes. The zooming seems to have its own oddities both in the controls and how the picture moves out of alignment with the zoom and needing a restore window maximize window restore window or similar window style switch to reset the position of the image to be edited. But I cannot reproduce the black block you experienced.
Maybe try their demo of howler 11.2 release candidate and see if that exhibits the same behaviour on your system.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)

If you want to send me the image for testing, send it to Dan_Ritchie@hotmail.com

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

fran, that's odd. I don't recall seeing such isues. What image format did you try, what dimensions in picel width and height?

We have a few ways to get the image into the program. If the converters and importers fail on your system, try through the clipboard (but only RGB will go through, no alpha). Still, copy your image from an image viewer into the clipboard, then find in Artist an option like menu: Image > Clipboard > (couple of options). Or simply Ctrl-V.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)

Hi, thanks TK and Daniel Ritchie, I don't use drop-box, so cannot send my results for all to see here, sorry, but will send my samples to Daniel, who kindly left his address for me. I do not understand myself why PD Artist won't open my photo in simple way when I have no problem opening it in Corel, or any other photo Software!?

Reply   |   Comment by fran  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

fran, I'll load a few sample images that load fine for me, 1280x720, in various formats. look in www.thebest3d.com/gotd/sample-terrains

there will be a jpeg, bmp, tiff, targa (tga) and some png. Plus a native layered (.lyr) format which contains both the main and the swap image.

If you can't load these, there might be probably an issue with the ImageMagick convert.exe on your installation or system. My first guess.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)

Philip Staiger,
Hi, thanks for stepping in, viewed Your samples, they tell me very little, sorry. Earlier posted my results to Daniel Ritchie, is He on Your Team?? Asked if the problem is obvious and solution found to post it here as well. Other than that - seems to me if simple jpg format, small size 187KB, and 1280x720 has to use ImageMagic conventer to place picture into PD Artist in the first place - then regular user won't grasp (from GOTD Description of Your Software above) that it's not as easy as it looks!..I'm not exactly a novice when it comes to using Artist Software, I grazed my teeth:) on Corel and Adobe creating digital images from 'scratch', or using photos in them, but cannot recall problems simillar to Howler!

Reply   |   Comment by fran  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

just FYI I went through the exercise of downloading/saving these various formats and save them in a place, then in PD ARtist used File > Open... without issues.

If you keep an eye on the Windows taskbar, you may briefly see an icon appear and disappear, that's the ImageMagick convert.exe being called for converting some of the formats. For some formats only.

Targa (*.tga) is loaded by our built-in native reader. Layered .lay format too. Other formats are typically converted internally to tga and then loaded (leave a temp file named TempTga.tga or something like that.)

If you don't see that working, perhaps the a/v is blocking convert.exe, or perhaps the system has too few resources/too little free RAM? hard to say at this time. You probably have a top notch PC, I'll assume so. Then you can try to fix the issue, good luck finding the root cause. A better approach is to convert to Targa and load as that. It is lossless, better choice anyway.

There are seveal other places with natice loaders, even for Jpeb, Tiff, Png and Bmp. One of the importers, I think General File Converter, perhaps?

And there's also loading to the custom brush from the brush menu (Brush > Open) and then storing the custom brush as image, and from stored image to current image. Just a few clicks to nirvana, in case you just can't figure out why your system won't do it the obvious way. There's always a root cause, an underlying reason, but who's got time to waste trying to figure out what it is? I try not to get stuck, use other ways to get the image in. EVen through the clipboard when the image is just RGB without alpha.

I hope this helps.

Once more thing to try: Create a new image from scratch, and save it. Does that work?

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)

Philip Staiger,
SOLVED! Hi Philip, thanks for Your latest reply and interest in problem I was experiencing yesterday. I seems to be solved!

I exchanged couple of e-mails with Daniel Ritchie asking me for some general info about my OS, 'graphic card' a.s.o to establish if there was anything 'unusual' with my machine causing PD Artist 11 behave in such way. Don't think there is, but after admitting I installed this Software on my external Drive E - He came with an idea that perhaps I ought to disable file-system caching for that Drive to see if that helps. Couldn't do it, was too tired to figure out how and where (as silly as it sounds!), properties didn't have that option obvious, but having other Software and Games installed on that Drive and working without any problem whatsoever - I just installed PD Artist on Drive C instead, and it worked like a charm!!:) My sample pic opened entirely (without black block) and after applying one Effect - could save it too.

Out of curiosity..tried to run Artist from E again - same problem! Comparing BOTH Installation Folders of this Software it became apparent that Drive E has at least 1 more File in it that Drive C didn't. Indeed, the 'culprit' was 'Temp Tga', size 3.51 MB, of my sample pic of course (I checked in Corel PSP not knowing what this 'strange cookie' was..)

Don't ask me 'how' it got there in a first place, as I tried all sorts described in my first Comment above to make it work (yes, black block was there from a word go!) Deleting this File (Temp Tga) results only in it being 'cached' again and again into that Folder, so that particular Installation is beyond repair. Other one works, so I can simply put it in a bin? Shame, I tend to keep my Drive C as roomy as poss.

Thanks again Guys for Your collective Help here, I like solving Puzzles..ideally in Games only! Hope I could shed enough light thou, if some Improvement to this Software can be made to avoid such problems in future, Developer!

Reply   |   Comment by fran  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)

fran, the point was to see if you could open any of these images, various formats, doesn't matter what they contain, in terms of imagery, but they're a given size and format. Mind you, some of these formats have extra options, for example TIFF and Targa have various types of compressions possible, such as Jpeg, LZW, and more.

Yes you could say Dan Ritchie is on the team. He IS the team lol. He's the author of Dogwaffle. I am on his team :-)

granted, it could be different with the exports. that and the 32-bit vs 64-bit code, that and one more little thing about alpha-opaque layers. Oh well, it can't be perfect in all ways imaginable. There are plenty of joyful moments to be had. One can only focus on so much.

If you want to load the Jpeg without the ImageMagick converter (convert.exe) try the General File Converter, it loads Jpeg directly if I recall.

are you still unable to just open those sample files, by the way? Perhaps your antivirus is blocking the converter from ImageMagick?

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)

Philip Staiger,
Hi again, thanks, all Samples You posted and I d/loaded can be viewed properly (opened) in PD Artist installed on my Drive C. All of them. Other copy of PD Artist still on my Drive E can only show properly LYR Files, rest of them show with black block on top. By default my Corel PSP opens all other photo/image extensions You came up with, on all of my Drives, unless Software has own, 'native' ones, but only PD Artist installed on Drive E has problems opening them properly. NO Conventer shows up when I simply try to open them. My active antivirus Prog SecureAPlus always asks for permission to open anything 'new' (unblock and trust) and I allow it when it comes to most GOTDs, including PD Artist 11. I normally use 'Total Image Converter' when I have to.

Hope I understood all technical issues You asked me to take into consideration, but please, remember I know zilch about coding, programming etc. I ain't an expert in that field, Sir!:) I like no hassle Programs that deliver simple things, even if 'magically' (behind the scenes) they are complicated..Folks pay good money for that, and to be able to create their magic art pieces in return. Simply. Thank You for Your time and attention, even if I'm left without real answer what went wrong with my first Installation, when second one was done in exactly the same way and works?..

Reply   |   Comment by fran  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)

fran, the temp TGA file is generated when you import or open or drag and drop an existing JPG/PNG etc, ImageMagick convert.exe converts the input file to the temp TGA for use by the program. You may not find it in the C: drives Program Files folder because without admin rights windows Virtualises any writes and puts them in the per users Appdata\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\PD_Artist folder,
Assuming the Access Control List for the Programs folder has not been hacked to allow anyone with non elevated rights to write to it. Just looked and Arrrrrgh The PD_Artist program files ACL HAS been hacked by adding the security group "Everyone" to Modify, Read & Execute, List folder contents, Read, Write allowing ANYONE even unknown accounts not part of any user group read/write/delete access to anything in the folder! That is being done to get around some of the design flaws like the choice to write to the program files folder and not use the systems %temp% folder for intermediate file writing... like TempTga.tga because for some reason maybe they could not get on with the virtualisation of bad writes to program files heirachy by user programs. I will be removing the "Everyone" group from the PD_Artist Security ACL and if the program fails to run then so be it but I am not leaving such a security hole on my system for any reason!

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)

TK, just removed the hacked ACL "Everyone" group from the PD_Artist older and all its descendent objects and the program (in this respect) works ok and properly uses the VirtualStore folder mentioned in my previous comment. My deduction from this is the hacked ACL addition of the "Everyone" group was done to try and allow this program to work as a standard non-admin user under XP and was not removed when XP support was dropped and was not designed out in due course. My Advice is to remove the addition of the ACL hack on all systems using Vista and above as it is an unnecesary breach of Microsofts security layers.

Dan should alter his convert commandline to something like

convert "pathto file\a picture.jpg" -matte -compress none -type TrueColorMatte TGA:%TEMP%\TempTga.tga

and not forget to clean up after the tga file has been read into the program and is no longer needed to avoid leaving mess behind.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

TK,
Hi, thanks Mate, interesting point of view! Permissions in the list of 'Security' properties of any Software we install vary (some will have 'Everyone' listed there, some won't) and only those of us who actually 'study' the whole Installation of Programs in detail - either in Virtual environment, or ordinarily on PCs, including Registry with Window's based Systems - will know what goes to 'under-belly' of each of them. Regular user has no control over these matters with exception of deciding (where possible) where Software is installed on our machines and deciding 'who' we trust.

The path for PD Artist 11 You've mentioned, with possibility of removing 'Everyone' Permission doesn't exist on the list of Programs I have there (in Virtual Store Folder), neither do any of other 'Howlers' I have (Howler 8, Special Ed, or 8.2 Special Ed, which accidentally open only when 'Run as Administrator', unlike PD Artists that open either way)

I don't believe the 'faulty' installation of PD Artist on my external Drive that doesn't work (no matter what!), and second copy on C that works - DEPEND on those Permissions to deliver 'orderly' performance?
I don't exactly know how Your exercise worked regarding performance alone, since You said after removing 'Everyone' from Properties changed nothing, except vulnerability from hackers, as I understand. How Developers deal with 'security measures' when they design their Software is up to them, they run the Show!:).. We can only take care of our Programs and safety of our machines by having decent Antivirus Software protecting us. But like I said, interesting point of view, and perhaps alerting Folks to examine these Permissions from time to time if something suspicious comes to light..
Did You too have Howler that didn't work?

Reply   |   Comment by fran  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

fran, No all the installations of the dogwaffle.exe program in all it's forms, particle9, howler and PD_Artist ran ok (subject to admin and ACL anomilies)installed in various program files subfolder. I never tried installing to an external drive or non-C drive so cannot repeat your problem installation.

Any user with admin rights can alter the ACL settings of almost any folder on the system even on Vista Home Basic. One of the issues that including the Everyone security group on a program files sub folder and its descendants is a limited standard users account or even a guest account can subsiquently install malware or other tracking software system wide using those sub folders which they are not supposed to be able to. I have removed the Everyone group from the installation folders and only then is the VirtualStore copy of the installation folder created after you load an external image file. I do expect what you experienced was a bug in the program due to some inconsitancy in the undocumented workarounds the dev used to get the suite of components working together.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)

TK,
Hi, thanks TK, I'm on Win7 Home Premium pre-installed by Dell. I'm the Owner, Admin, and User in one! (practically the only one, not counting family, of which nobody has to use Guest Acc. to use it!) and it drives me absolutely potty to see so many Accounts (in 'Home' version!!) with different Permissions a.s.o, as if it was Office network of a bunch of people doing their stuff daily and having to be logged in, each individually, mad! - when all I want is to be in full charge of my own lap. Yes, I visited countless blogs (including utterly useless advice from Microsoft Windows) how to claim 'ownership' of your machine. But..gave up trying, or changing anything in Registry for that matter (like in previous versions of Windows..) Win7 at least is more 'stable' regarding fiddling and tweaking Reg to get things working, so no more 'Kelly's Corners':) and rest of them.. Anything for easier life and practicality!

So - if that's the reason (being logged in as user) I cannot alter anything in path You've mentioned (for PD Artist and other Howlers) solely to make it WORK - so be it! No, my particular case installing Artist on external Drive and causing it not performing properly (conclusion that Dan anticipated) - cannot be resolved - unless recreated by someone else, best of all Developers themselves, to either establish it's not a good idea and make sure folks are advised against it from word go, or indeed make sure that next versions of PD Artist can be installed on flash drives (like so many other Programs can) and work flawlessly?..
Thanks for paying attention to my case, also post-giveaway. You're a goodden!:), as we say in UK.

Reply   |   Comment by fran  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

fran, I was wondering if your external drive was a Flash thumb drive or other type FAT32/exFAT formated or NTFS formated. If you install to a FAT32 drive there are no such things as ACL and access permissions other than read-only flags on files. It is possible the different file system capabilities is upsetting the imagemagick executables in some way... I'd be inclined to check that temptga.tga file on the external drive in say irfanview to see if that too contained the black rectangle and if it did that would mean that the imagemagick convert.exe did it not the the TGA import routines of dogwaffle.exe
In my professional opinion that although the developer of an installer can do almost anything messing with the systems ACL's is not something they *should do* as a workaround for bad program design. Ask on MSDN and technet and no MVP will give the OK to adding the Everyone security group to any Admin/NT_AUTHORITY only writable folder just to save learning the correct way to design things! Inginuity is all well and good I use it all the time but it must be tempered with knowledge and wisdom or one leaves people more vulnerable to unathorised activities by malicious agencies. Bear in mind that ALL AV programs are designed to protect an system with the default ACLs intact not with deliberatly compromised ACLs that practically create new "Public" folder heirachies where there should be protected folder heirachies.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#8

The download keeps pausing every few minutes. Is there another download mirror?

Reply   |   Comment by Simon Sagala-Mulindwa  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#7

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit. Installed without problem and runs without any problems.
A very nice giveaway and worth adding to your art programs.

Thanks to GOTD and Project Dogwaffle.

Reply   |   Comment by Vincent Andrews  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#6

will this conflict with the previous PD giveaways Project Dogwaffle Howler 8.2 (Special Edition) in 2013 and 2014 seeing as this is based upon the "Howler" product?

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+6)

TK, no answers... the comment probably never made it through moderation yet... Was able to install todays giveaway on Windows 32bit Vista SP2+ with zero errors, from cursory investigations there is a possibility this may install under XP SP3 with the .NET 4.0 client profile installed! None of the executables I looked at excluded that possibility in their linkage settings. There was no conflict with the previous Howler 8.2 SE giveaway installation, this installer completely ignored the older product so that is good. The GUI has changed with this version and the drop down menus are not so easy to use with the drop down menus covering the menu place holder names almost completely and instead of the drop down menus changing as we mouse over the place holder names we have to manually click the place holders to activate the new menu which is more difficult now since only a small fraction of adjacent place holder targets are even visible let alone readable when a drop down menu is active. I suspect the problem is due to new GUI framework methods that just don't work the same ways as the old GUI framework. I am pleased this is able to run under a remotedesktop session and is not tied to Direct3D or DirectX functionality as the GPU chip has practically fallen off my laptop motherboard so graphics driver accelerations do not function.
I was suprised to see this install 3 different MS C++ runtime version 2010, 2015 and 2017... as well as relying upon .NET 4.0 being installed too! Maybe these disparate versions are all required due to the reliance upon 3rd party libraries and executables to perform some underlying functions.

For me it works and is free and is pre-activated which is why it has to be protected by the setup.exe/gcd wrapper and will therefore need any of the security restrictions placed by certain security programs removed to install, including the enabling of outbound firewall connection by the installer wrapper.
Thanks will keep it just in case I ever need what it does.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)

TK, I too have the 8.2 version from 2013, and this install does not conflict with the previous version. Seems on this version they did away with the X exit button normally used for closing windows, so to close the program you need to quit from the file menu. The GUI interface is greatly improved in this version. Also, for now I don't experience the annoying popups like I have when launching the older program.

Reply   |   Comment by LogicGrl  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)

TK, You can choose to install it in a new location if you choose. However, you cannot run the two at the same time. If you switch back and forth, you will need to set each up to run as administrator.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

LogicGrl, thanks, The exit X button in the top right is still there it just does not look normal because of the new GUI framework they apear to be using. What things are missing though is a little more important in my opinion. There is NO title bar on the window so if you switch from maximised to restored window size it skips off over towards the left of my desktop but because of there being no proper title bar we cannot click it anywhere and drag the window around the desktop to SIMPLY reposition it! It only seems click and dragable when the mouse cursor changes from an arrow to a hand with one finger out. Not particurlarly transferable from standard windows GUI controls, that cursor apearance normally means I am over a button or link... Yes no reminder on startup that it's a special cust down giveaway build like 8.2 has.

The multi-document window X controls to close or maximise, restore or minimise controls no longer exist which is not a big deal since the program only offers single document editing anyway.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)

LogicGrl, The closebox should be there in the topmost right.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)

Daniel Ritchie, If not, you can toggle "Compact/full screen mode" and get a traditional window border with system boxes.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)

TK, installing mulriple versions of Howler or Artist or PD Particles is ok but one (the last one) will prevail. If you want to keep all, install in separate folders, and be prepared to run the ld one once again as Administrator to re-assign dependencies. If you see that ominous "Unexpected error; quitting" message, that's telling you that it needs to re-assign (re-register) a bunch of dependencies to itself that were assigned to a newer installation. RUnning it as administrator once will usually fix it.

It's what the installer usually does too when you run it right at the end of installation.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

TK, The title area in the window works just like a regular titlebar. You drag it to move the window, and you double click to minimize/maximize.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

Daniel Ritchie, There are in fact several differences in the Titile bar of the new GUI as well as window operation I experience here.

1: Far left of titile bar is usual location of applications defined Title not near the middle.
2: right clicking the far left corner of a normal Windows GUI title bar would normally bring up a window control drop down menu.
3 the entire title bar less the control buttons on the far right is normally a window drag handle not just a small sub-section
4 the entire title bar less the control buttons on the far right is normally a maximise/restore window toggle button
5 a section of dark are between the Upgrade menu place holder and when the mouse pointer changes to a hand with a pointing finger has no function rather than acts as a title bar and a similar dead space exists on the other side of the "Artist 11 (Main) 100%" text where the mouse pointer changes back to an arrow.

The practical title bar has been compressed down to a small section in the middle of the top of the window with menu place holders and a gap to the left and a gap and some undo and other control buttons as well as window control buttons on the end. I can see a logic to this choice in GUI to reduce wasted screen real-estate by removing the 100% window wide dedicated title and window control bar. But it is a compromise and has dead space that could/should intuatively behave as a title bar.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)

TK, Yes. We combined the menu bar and title bar into one.
we did this to give more space to content.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#5

I cannot install it! What's wrong?

Reply   |   Comment by Kennan Cay  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-5)

Kennan Cay, Have you tried disabling your anti-virus before downloading?

Reply   |   Comment by Matt  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)

Kennan Cay, Our installer is wrapped by GOTD's wrapper installer. It can sometimes be blocked by antivirius programs.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+5)

Kennan Cay, I've added a step-by-step installation guide at thebest3d.com/gotm

If your experience is different, please describe error messages, differences in file sizes, how tou downlaoded and extracted the 3 files from the zip, etc...

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)

Philip Staiger, oops sorry, gotd, not gotm

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#4

Downloaded fine with Chrome but then failed to connect...

Reply   |   Comment by Kenny Miller  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-4)

Kenny Miller, try not to install from the download directly. Save the downloaded file, then extract the content into a subfolder. Then go into the subfolder, scan with a/v one more time if you must, then run the Setup.exe

The Setup.exe is the wrapper from GAOTD which verifies that it's not too late. You have to be online. And you don't want to run it from inside the zip you downloaded, because it will try to then run the data that's the 100+ MB file which it can't find in the Temp folder, it's in the zip. So extract it all first.

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)
#3

It's worth a try for the plant & rock brushes alone.

Reply   |   Comment by Jen  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-3)
#2

A successful installation prooved useless, since no picture can be loaded giving the missleading error message that administrator permission is required.
I AM the administrator.. Who then is to give that permission and how?

Reply   |   Comment by Aris Sinatsakis  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

Aris Sinatsakis,
by default, Windows doesn't run any program as administrator:
right click on te program icon and choose "run as administrator".

Reply   |   Comment by R2D2  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+18)

R2D2, properly programmed applications that REQUIRE administrator rights demand it in the embeded manifest or using the correct windows API. They never need an end user to adjust the compatability settings especially when a program is allegedly designed for windows 7 and above! Only badly written programs require user intervention to obtain admin or elevated rights! And user mode paint programs should not normally require elevated rights, if they do they are incorrectly designed.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

TK, Sorry, it could be your antivirus, or the GOTD wrapper causing problems. Our installer installs the program properly and registers it. We do not force the program to run as administrator because this caused some problems with some tablet hardware. The program is an Active-X server, and it needs to self register, and that requires administrator rights. Programs do not get administrator rights under Windows, even if the user is an administrator. Adding a manifest does not solve the problem. This is a windows feature, not a bug. It's not improperly written. It's just a limitation of COM, that MS added for security.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel Ritchie  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)

TK, it's the COM, it's an active X server. That's about all I know. Dan can add more to it.

Are you saying it can be done without elevating it to admin level?

Reply   |   Comment by Philip Staiger  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

Philip Staiger, because you are locally using the COM object in the application folder which was how WIndows HAD to do it when an application required a different version COM object DLL before the WinSXS system was invented the advice was you do NOT register the COM object as a server but instantiate it directly thus not causing other programs to have to use your custom maybe older version of the COM object your application needed. I presume there must still be the possibility of directly instantiating a COM object without making it a system wide COM Server. It used to be documented on MSDN website but no idea if it still is as many things have changed since Windows 98/ME days.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/234726/use-ocx-without-registering-it

Seems to be discussing something similar and more upto date than the old Windows 9x MS discussion I am recalling and may be relevent to the COM object registration need with this application. Hope it helps.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)

Daniel Ritchie, I notice that you do register dogwaffle.exe as pseudo servers but don't actually use them in the program which can easily be proven by simply renaming the dogwaffle.exe to anything else and everything still runs and there is no need to re-run it as an admin to re-register it as a server again. You really should be using winsxs rather than registering all the Active-X OCX objects as servers in the system registry if that is what you are doing.
Just noticed that previous giveaway Particle9 was also built out of the dogwaffle code base and it too shares the same issues as Howler and PD_Artist with regards to anomalies over Active-X objects and server registration conflicts! Please do keep an open mind I am not trying to pull your hard work apart or rip it down but give constructive feedback and advice. You are of course free to ignore or embrace the free advice and improve things or not.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#1

Always can't download. Error 404 page don't available.

Reply   |   Comment by Bart  –  3 months ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+3)

Bart, Try another browser. It should work.

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