Sorry about you missing the download/install. I guess I could rub it in on how great the software is (ROTFL). BTW I'm central usa and its now 2:08 here. LOL time to go watch the tube.
Sincerely,
Archangel
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Daily Comments - Too Much Noise?
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Planecrazy
MemberHa Ha Ha ... go ahead and rub it in. :-D
I was actually glad to see that the software had been carried over into Monday so it's not like I didn't have plenty of time to change my mind before it was too late. I'm in the same time zone as you, and time to go to bed. Already watched earlier recordings of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report ... got my laughs in for the evening!
I figured it out - if BuBBy REALLY wants to make it up to me I'll get one last shot at downloading this tomorrow - yeah, like that'll happen - I don't think I'm gonna hold my breath on it...
'nite,
StevePosted 16 years ago # -
I think we need some of the comments to steer us to whether to download or not. Many a time I have not download a program just because of those comments since it was a weekend and BladedThoth usually doesn't review the programs.(Lord , please don't let any cats suffer because I said that.) I, and a lot of others, depend on those comments. I don't download will-nilly. But thank you GAOTD for introducing me to programs and games I, otherwise, would have never used or tried. I never was into games before. All I had was those lame Windows games and a some card/crossword puzzle games.
I started coming here a year ago and I have seen the comment page become a battle field. One of the incidents involved was some comment about religion. Then we had the "Wow! I am the first comment." and nothing else. No one even knew if that person even downloaded the program/game or not..but we knew they were first to moment. And what was funny..half the time they weren't..so you would end up with as many as 3 or 4 comments claiming to be "first". Then you get the comments... who is this guy and who does he think he is, he is wrong it is this... and why is his post so long and the list just goes on. That is one of the reasons BT won't post anything but the link to his site now on the comment site. I don't think rude even partially covers the realm of some of the comments that are made. I don't think I have ever posted there but I think my husband has posted a few compliments or things that went wrong but he figured it out etc.
I think Mr. B has become a bit frustrated and you can't blame him so he is throwing suggestions/ideas to see how they fly. Nothing is written in stone yet so just calm down. There has to be a "happy medium".
BuBBy, you are going to burn out if you are not careful. You are only one person and an only do so much with a system that seems to be a bit broken at the time. Don't let it get you down. I know about the burn out because my husband and I ran a mIRC #beginner channel for 10 years and you will never please everyone. Trust me; I know. We did our best.. had zip packages for my OPs of all the rules, made pop ups of how to do things and lots of info on how mIRc worked. Took us over a month to make it and every time mIRC, the network or something else changed we had to revamp the package and send it out. I paid 100.00 a year for a mIRC bot to help protect the channel and the kids and I made scripts for it or got them from bot sites. We was strict because of the kids. Our bot could kick/ban in 7 different languages. I read the bot logs and if no Ops were on they still got banned because of the logs. When we had meetings with my Ops we had to have 2 because of the times. We had OPS from Singapore, Australia, Africa, Europe, South and North America. And most of them were around 13 or 14 years old. They were good and they were responsible. I told them they could lose their Ops just as fast as it was given. I was NOT kidding and they knew it.
Most of the users appreciated the safety/order we tried to enforce. But I think I was the subject of several anti-delenn sites, had pics of my face on several nude bodies(you get the drift) and some of the names I was called was just mind boggling. Obviously, those people had way too much time on their hands. I just told them..If you don't like the rules here, go make your own channel.
But now I still get cards and pics and yes..now some of the OPs have kids of their own. Everyone called us..."Mom and Dad". But it got to the point around 2003, life went on and the kids went to college/university or real jobs and most of the people that came on the channel only wanted directions to the mp3 channels etc. No one wanted to learn about mIRC just how to download music or movies etc. So we gave it up.
I guess what I am trying to say is.. Mr. B, if you are given lemons, make some lemonade. Make the best of what you can do and be satisfied that you did your best. What you did the other day in the comment section was awesome and to be commended. But even you got the comment .."Who is the is this BuBBy?" etc, etc.
I like the suggestion about breaking the comment page into different subjects but you have to remember you are dealing with SOME people who can NOT follow instructions in a read-me file. I think the problem is and I know I had it also...... You are dealing with All kinds of people of all ages and with different levels of PC experience. I probably am one of those that know just enough..just to be dangerous.
The bottom line is NO MATTER what you do, some one is going to complain. Most people don't like changes. So you and TPTB have to decide what is best for the majority of users. If changes are instigated and you hear of a suggestion that may work better then see what you can do to get it changed.
Just remember "Rome wasn't built in a day" and "You can't please everyone". And thank you, Mr. B, for helping out in the forums/comments page. You too, Lee. I know it is not easy for the pay you get(which was the same that we got..Nada!).
Posted 16 years ago # -
Linuxchix0r
MemberPersonally I think if there is an problem with install or registration thats effecting a lot of users then it should be posted in the comments cause thats what I read before I install anything.
For example one day I was having a hard time getting an application to register and so were a lot of others and someone had posted the solution which was very helpful.
Posted 16 years ago # -
@ delenn 13
Your comment is really great, thank you! I support what you say concerning BuBBy and the noise, and I confirm your experience with Nada-jobs. My burnout came after 30+ years in youth/school/children/family-politics, in nonprofits, NGOs and as a party-member. I know...
And therefor I really can feel with BuBBy and all the others beside him. BuBBy is the front person now and hopefully his back is wide and strong enough, and his sense of humor will never peter out.
(Oh, I wish my English would be better, there is so much to say...)@ Linuxchix0r
Wouldn't it be much faster going to the forum ? It's only 1 click away, and you see with a glance the newest topics, no need to wade through a jungle of comments to find the answer, a competent answer.@ Planecrazy
Quote Planecrazy:
"...you're doing EVERYONE a serious dis-service.
...You owe me and everyone else a HUGE apology!
...I'll simply state again that you owe not only me but ALL of us an apology"Please do NOT speak in my name ! Speak for yourself !
BTW 2 or 3 of my comments happened to disappear too (not now), but I didn't become paranoiac - things happen.
A look in the forum and another on the developers homepage were enough info for my decision not to download this $ 495 thing. An so I had much time for other things,
e.g.:
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/2275?replies=4Have a happy day or night
grayloxPosted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberGraylox,
With all due respect, whenever legitimate comments in a public forum (or in this case, comments page) are censored with no rhyme or reason, I believe most people would agree that this is a disservice to everyone, and in my response to BuBBy I stated my feeling that "MOST" people would agree. Now BuBBy and the other mods have every right to do anything they want - it's their site, but that doesn't make it "right." I merely called them on it. I still believe that an apology to the community is in order (and I suspect "most" here would agree), but if you wish to exclude yourself then I submit my apology for stepping on your toes.
And for the record, I didn't immediately become "paranoic," as you put it. It was a slow burn that began when I realized that my potentially valuable input was being stripped out without any good reason or even the courtesy of an explanation, and this happened more than once to somebody who has always been a good and respectful "netizen."
Regards,
StevePosted 16 years ago # -
I respectfully opt out of the group apology too. Bubby nor anyone here owes me anything. I come here out of my own free will, I'm not asked for anything. I take the benefit, I take the risk.
I understand you are upset, and just want to be helpful to all. I've never seen Bubby do otherwise. I have a feeling everyone involved with this endeavor is doing the work of three people. There is a chance that a lot of stress is going on. Could it be possible that a simple mistake was made, a click of a mouse on the wrong line or a truncated file? There could be more than one reason your post didn't show up. It happens all the time with computers. Blogs, Forums and email...stuff happens.Posted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberIdahl,
To answer your questions, no there wasn't a mistake. Several people reported that their posts were either edited or outright deleted, and I had two or three removed (all similar to the one posted above) without the courtesy of any notification whatsoever as to the reason (and each one initially showed up as they always do). I can't speak to the nature of the other posts that were changed or removed ... only to mine, which as you can clearly see (above) were not in any way offensive or out of line.
As I mentioned already, I have always been a VERY respectful member of every forum I am involved with. I have many thousands of posts under my belt, so am well aware of the effort it takes to help run a quality forum and do it in a respectful way (even if there are people who haven't earned that respect).
So yes, I AM rightfully upset both on a personal level and as somebody who thinks it's simply wrong to toy with the people being actively attracted to the site. That the products offered here are free doesn't absolve the moderators from the responsibility to treat their visitors with the same respect they wish to be accorded. That really is the main point at the end of the day...
Regards,
StevePosted 16 years ago # -
clobermier
MemberI don't feel as though I'm owed an apology, but if everyone else gets one, I want one, too! Just kidding, just kidding.
As far as posts being censored, did yours show up on the page, Planecrazy? I'm just curious if it showed up and then was stripped off, or if it never showed at all. I've written a post about a software offered that just never showed up. I chalked it to the team being really busy and it probably slipped past. It wasn't a big deal, though, just a critique and the site had tons of those already.
I know, because I have been on the site since it started, how much time and work Bubby puts into this place. I doubt he's paid for it, either. But I've watched him help so many people who were having software troubles. He took some time to help me with a stupid download that I could NOT get to work at all (Magic Score School, second install) He didn't have to do that. He could have just ignored me, but he didn't. And he has done things like that for scores of other visitors to this site.
He's tried to use humor on the main page to get people to come to the forums, to no avail. What was the negative count on the "Was this Comment Helpful?" Like -2999999? He's tried using diplomacy. But still, we wade through the, "FIRST!" "I can't get this to register, how do I do it?" "This doesn't work on Vista!! It's CRAP!" and the ever present, "TRIAL! RIP OFF!!" statements. So when I saw that Bubby was in the comments, directing people to places they can get helped, I cheered inwardly. Since he did that, I've noticed a slight decrease in those kinds of comments.
As far as the front page, yes, I want to know if a product has serious issues. Generally, though, if it's something I want to try, I try it, no matter what people said, negative or otherwise. However, if a lot of people are having certain problems, then I want to know it, and I do think that should be on the main page. I love, too, that people are allowed to put up freeware alternatives to the day's offering. Planecrazy, I did read what you'd written, and didn't think it was horrific at all. I'm not sure what happened to it, but it's probably not a good idea to assume it was Bubby that took it down. It might have been, I don't know, but there are more moderators than just him. Your suggestions came across as a personal attack on someone that a lot of people like, which can throw everything away from your main point about being censored and change it to, "Bubby sucks!" Then the whole gist of your argument is tossed into the fray. I'm not trying to be critical or tell you what to do, I've just been sitting back, reading these forums and watching, and that's what I see.
I could, however, be completely wrong, and often am.
Cindy
Posted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberI appreciate your comments, Cindy, but understand that nobody's infallible. That's why I felt it necessary to make sure BuBBy was aware that his flippant attitude above was offensive and disrespectful to somebody who frankly didn't deserve the treatment already dished out. I believe I already answered your initial question above - yes, the posts WERE initially on the comments page and then subsequently taken away for no apparent reason. The fact that he (and others) do good things here overall doesn't change the fact that he needs to own up and accept responsibility when he screws up.
While it's certainly true that another moderator could have taken my comments down, I'm 99% certain that it was BuBBy, and I base the confidence in my educated guess on the fact that not only was BuBBy the one who initiated the debate about what kinds of comments belonged where, but he as much as admitted in one his responses that he had edited or removed some other posts. Also, if he wasn't the one who created this mess, I expect he would have stated so by now. The fact that he has chosen NOT to accept responsibility and apologize to me (if not the entire community) either publicly or privately (I have received no PM's) speaks volumes.
He could be the nicest guy in the world (I have no doubt that he is a good guy at heart) ... that doesn't excuse what happened here. What can I say, except that like archangel I am the kind of person who doesn't back away from controversy when there's something that deserves to be said.
Regards,
StevePosted 16 years ago # -
Lockett
MemberOnce, my review didn't make it through, but I resubmitted it and it did. Why?
I actually like it that the mods can edit comments. In my review of Azangara, I accidentally referred to it as Azada, but the mod fixed that! Thank you, anonymous mod!
>Planecrazy
"I had two or three removed (all similar to the one posted above) without the courtesy of any notification whatsoever as to the reason (and each one initially showed up as they always do)."
When they "showed up", did they say "Your comment is awaiting moderation" at the bottom? That means that they only display for you, to show you what you've already posted. This is so you don't forget and post the same comment again while the first one is still being moderated.
Now if they could only add a preview feature, thumbs up/down votes, and faster moderation like they have on the main site(remember that Game Giveaway of the Day is a daughter site of Giveaway of the Day), it would be perfect.
Posted 16 years ago # -
janaltus
MemberI wasn't directly affected by the hijacking of a home page by rocketdivision but I had to spend many hours trying to sort out a newbie's pc that was (over the 'phone, no less). Oh, one thing that was missed out in the final solution was to point out that Windows Explorer won't show you the dodgy "user.js" file if your hidden files remain hidden (if you see what I mean).
BuBBy wrote elsewhere; "RocketDivision have released a patch - a new version of the program (I assume with the default to NOT change the homepage), as well as a program to fix the problem if you are affected."
BuBBy added: "They also apologize (a thousand times) for the bug."
One thousand apologies. Wow! That's 999 more than I wanted (I'll hold on to the rest just in case they screw up again, lol)!
:0)
Posted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberLockett,
In answer to your question, I posted the way I always have, and I've never had any problem in the past with comments "not posting properly." Therefore, I have no reason to believe that these posts mysteriously never made it to the "permanent" comments list.
The last post I created DID have the "awaiting moderation" message, but when I opened it up shortly afterward from a new firefox page it showed up without the "moderation" message ... then later it had been removed. There was obvious some human intervention after the fact, and again I failed to receive even the courtesy of a notice that the posts had been removed, let alone a reason why. Now, if somebody has posted something that is in obvious violation of good "netiquette" there is no reason why they should expect to hear from the mods, although I'd be surprised if they didn't get a "slap on the hand" to let them know they crossed a line and hopefully avoid it in the future. I on the other hand am completely perplexed as to why BuBBy would remove the posts I left, especially since at least one other person later left a much more contentuous post with a similar message that is still there.
Go figure...
Regards,
Posted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberJanaltus,
Now if I could get just one from BuBBy I'd consider this issue closed, but he has become conspicuously absent from this thread since my issue was raised. Coincidence? I think not - in fact I have no doubt that he's been lurking ever since he left...
Oh well, the silence speaks volumes ... (sigh)
Posted 16 years ago # -
Lockett
Member>Planecrazy
"Now if I could get just one from BuBBy I'd consider this issue closed, but he has become conspicuously absent from this thread since my issue was raised. Coincidence? I think not - in fact I have no doubt that he's been lurking ever since he left...
Oh well, the silence speaks volumes ... (sigh)"
He has been "conspicuously absent" from the entire forum for two days. He also said something about needing a break. He most likely has his hands full already moderating the comments, not to mention the fact that he actually has a life and job offline. Does it make him a coward or "lurker" if he's busy? Besides, I have a hard time believing that a few posts by one user on one thread scared him off of his own forum. If he was so scared of your posts, he'd delete them for exposing his dirty little secret and probably ban your account, too. He obviously hasn't, though.
Also, if your posts are deleted after they've gotten through, it's more likely to be a technical problem than human intervention. Did your posts have comments displayed below them before they were deleted?
Posted 16 years ago # -
RunesageMagik
Memberplanecrazy, I've been around message boards for over a decade and have encountered just about every sort of selfrighteous crackpot and thinskinned poster imaginable. Without putting too fine a point on it, you take yourself way too seriously.
To come here and DEMAND an apology from a volunteer who may or may not have removed your precious posts while he's been devoting way too many hours each day cleaning up the dreck made by nincompoops pushes the envelope of civility. BubbyCo deserves some respect if not your expressed gratitude.
To continue this rant by repeating your DEMAND just makes you come off sounding over the top obsessed. Chill out, life's too short.
Posted 16 years ago # -
FreewareFan
MemberHey, RM. selfrighteous crackpot and thinskinned poster LOL, now that was good!
I think he finally turned purple, after holding his breath for his demanded apology. I still hear the echoes of his footsteps as he stomped off in frustration... Some people, huh? :-)
Posted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberPOSTED BY: RunesageMagi:
"planecrazy, I've been around message boards for over a decade and have encountered just about every sort of selfrighteous crackpot and thinskinned poster imaginable. Without putting too fine a point on it, you take yourself way too seriously.
To come here and DEMAND an apology from a volunteer who may or may not have removed your precious posts while he's been devoting way too many hours each day cleaning up the dreck made by nincompoops pushes the envelope of civility. BubbyCo deserves some respect if not your expressed gratitude.
To continue this rant by repeating your DEMAND just makes you come off sounding over the top obsessed. Chill out, life's too short."
RunesageMagi,
I've been an active member of message boards and forums for even longer than that, so let's just dispense with the "higher than thou" attitude you've just brought here. I have done nothing more than answer several peoples questions as the thread progressed. Contrary to your mistaken assumptions, I have not continued to demand an apology, though I have repeated my assertation that I (and others) are owed one. There IS a difference and you apparently missed the distinction.
Furthermore I have been nothing if not civil, backed up by several other poster's comments regarding my deleted post and the nature with which I've handled the situation. If BuBBy is on "vacation" we'll soon know, based on any response he may yet offer in this thread. However I find it very interesting that he suddenly stopped posting in this thread after my initial response to his "flippant" handling of the situation.
Finally, I don't consider myself any more or less important than the rest of the community but I'm happy to put myself out there and "speak" when something isn't right. Perhaps you're more comfortable ignoring problems - whatever works for you. Regarding whether BuBBy "deserves" my respect, he HAD it and lost it. Respect is not automatically "deserved" as you seem to think, it is earned. If you think that the handling of this situation has earned him respect and that he deserves mine regardless of how he treats posters than I'd say you have a peculiar way of interpreting respect. You might want to reconsider trying to preach advice to others when it's clear you don't have a complete understanding of the issue in the first place. I was being courteous by answering the questions others subsequently asked me. If you interpret that as being "self rightious," then you ought to go back and re-read the thread. If I hadn't answered those posts I'd probably have been accused of "turning tail and running away." I guess that old saying rings true ... "damned if you do and damned if you don't" Freewarefan's ignorant response pretty much confirms this.
Regards,
StevePosted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberOh, by the way, Lockett ... to answer your question, I honestly don't recall whether there were subsequent posts following each of mine, but I think that at least in one instance there were a few.
I'm not sure why you'd think that it'd be a technical problem rather than human interaction if it occurred after they'd posted to the comments. I would think it'd be the other way around. After all, once they're up on the thread you'd expect them to stay there unless they were specifically removed. Also, don't forget that BuBBy DID say that some comments had been edited or deleted, so that points to human intervention after the fact.
Regards,
StevePosted 16 years ago # -
RunesageMagik
MemberPlainlycrazy -
While I find oneupmanship and pissing contests a bore, if you insist, I could have included my participation in Compuserve, The Source and AOL forums, extending my experience to nearly a quarter century. Only* Gore, who invented the Internet dontcha know, would have need to top that with a straight face. nyah nyah nyah *Seriously, I'm well aware that there are probably a dozen people on this board alone who enjoy longer forum histories, but if your actions reflect your level of experience, then I doubt you're one of 'em. I've founded forums, I've moderated forums, I've been hectored by nitwits on forums, I've been asked to contribute to forums. BFD So have (tens of) thousands of others. The bottom line is, working on forums is a thankless task, notwithstanding the benefits derived from "meeting" some really decent people as there are here. (you know who you are, people)Want to play clintonian semantics and logic games? (when is a "demand" merely an "assertion" and what is the definition of "is"?) I'll eat you for lunch. As for the "higher than thou" (holier than thou?) allusion, you've an unpolished debating technique of assuming your elders/superiors lack proficiency in reading comprehension and lexicological differentiation. You're sadly mistaken. I know exactly how respect is earned, and volunteers who work as hard as these guys deserve it, whether you and your little band of miscreant aliases believe it or not. Your wounded pride is misplaced.
You like to hear yourself in print? Well, so do I, and there was a time when I'd match you word for word and have people rolling in the aisles laughing at you in the process. However, along the way I learned that clowns like you usually hoist themselves by their own petard. It was too easy to make them look like fools, lead them around in circles like cows with nose rings or have them dance like puppets. No matter what, they'd come back to get the last word in because they're dumb as a stump and dense as bags of rocks. Are you? These days, I don't normally waste my time.
To claim you're backed up by several other posters on an anonymous board where aliases are easily created has less merit than a teenager picking his own ear wax, holding it out to mommy and asserting he deserves praise, then holding his breath and stomping his feet when mom doesn't fawn over him. You aren't "owed" a thing since you didn't pay anything to play, a concept you apparently can't grasp.
The main difference betwixt you and I is one of ego. You seem to consider yourself as some sort of hero for speaking out when something isn't "right". Perhaps hillary will share her tissue box with you at a communal hug fest. Many of us proffer suggestions and point out problems both publicly on these threads and via PMs to admin/bubby. We just don't turn it into our "mission". I don't share your need to beat horses to death just so's I can strut away patting myself on my back. You need to pick your disputes more carefully, Quixote.
Had you not answered the posts ad nauseum, I rather doubt anyone except that little voice in your head would have accused you of "turning tail". Why? Because nobody else gives a rat's behind what you do. And, there lies your biggest fear. That you aren't all that important except in your own eyes. Hint - I rather doubt BubbyCo or anyone else will shed tears over the loss of your respect.
So grow up, go back to epinions and let GAOTD restore order from your chaos.
BTW- that idiom is true. You can't "win" even if you get the last word in before someone sensible closes this thread.
Posted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberThis thread has certainly reached a point of diminishing returns. For awhile there was an honest give an take ... I said my piece and several others said theirs. I have been more than willing to answer and address any questions or comments that have been directed at me, but it's obvious that some people are now misinterpreting this as "self rightiousness," which clearly it's not.
So I believe the right thing to do is to put this to bed. If somebody poses a question that "must" be answered I'll be happy to do so, but I'd rather leave it go. I have always tried to be respectful to others on any given forum and will continue to do so. The "attacks" on my character now being posed are distasteful and unnecessary so I intend to take the "high road" and refrain from any more posts unless absolutely necessary (like to respond to BuBBy directly if he decides to add anything here). If some of you decide to interpret this as me "running off," then so be it ... whatever floats your boat.
Regards,
StevePosted 16 years ago # -
Lockett
Member>Planecrazy
"RunesageMagi,
I've been an active member of message boards and forums for even longer than that, so let's just dispense with the "higher than thou" attitude you've just brought here."
What "higher than thou attitude"?
"I have done nothing more than answer several peoples questions as the thread progressed. Contrary to your mistaken assumptions, I have not continued to demand an apology, though I have repeated my assertation that I (and others) are owed one. There IS a difference and you apparently missed the distinction."
So have I. If I say, "Give me cake!" as opposed to "You should give me cake!", then what's the difference?
"Furthermore I have been nothing if not civil, backed up by several other poster's comments regarding my deleted post and the nature with which I've handled the situation."
Only in your head. Every other poster on this thread seems to think that you've "handled the situation" incorrectly. And if frequent SHOUTING and mod-flaming is "nothing if not civil", then you obviously don't know what is.
"If BuBBy is on "vacation" we'll soon know, based on any response he may yet offer in this thread. However I find it very interesting that he suddenly stopped posting in this thread after my initial response to his "flippant" handling of the situation."
So you think that BuBBy's just deleting posts because it's like a game to him? You've also ignored my point that he's been absent from the whole forum, and not just this thread.
"Finally, I don't consider myself any more or less important than the rest of the community but I'm happy to put myself out there and "speak" when something isn't right. Perhaps you're more comfortable ignoring problems - whatever works for you. Regarding whether BuBBy "deserves" my respect, he HAD it and lost it. Respect is not automatically "deserved" as you seem to think, it is earned."
You can "speak" all that you want - but not in our names. Respect is "deserved" by everybody from everybody.
"If you think that the handling of this situation has earned him respect and that he deserves mine regardless of how he treats posters than I'd say you have a peculiar way of interpreting respect."
You keep mentioning his "handling of the situation". What handling? What situation? And I'm pretty sure that he "treats posters" with a lot more respect than you treat him with - he has with me, anyway.
"You might want to reconsider trying to preach advice to others when it's clear you don't have a complete understanding of the issue in the first place. I was being courteous by answering the questions others subsequently asked me. If you interpret that as being "self rightious," then you ought to go back and re-read the thread."
Anybody re-reading this thread will see one poster overreacting to the deletion of probably two comments and yelling at everybody else when they tell him what he's doing. He also demands an apology to everybody on the forum from somebody whose guilt he cannot show at all, even though nobody else has started a tirade against a particular mod for that reason. How is that not self-righteous? You seem to think that you're better than BuBBy and everybody else on this thread, because you're the only one exposing his treachery and evil.
"If I hadn't answered those posts I'd probably have been accused of "turning tail and running away." I guess that old saying rings true ... "damned if you do and damned if you don't" Freewarefan's ignorant response pretty much confirms this."
While I agree that FreewareFan's response was pretty stupid(He hasn't posted in almost a half of a day! He's given up!), your constant defense of an obviously flawed position is more so. The problem is not that you answered the posts, the problem is your answer itself. Allow me to present an analogy:
A man calls a maid service to clean his house while he's on vacation. When he gets back, his house has been vandalized, obviously by one of the maids. He then sues a particular maid named Barbara(who's been Maid of the Month for the past year), on the grounds that she's a maid and could have been the vandal. He presents no evidence for his accusation, but when confronted, responds with, "Well, if nobody else will sue this maid, then I guess that I have to! I don't know if she's vandalized other houses, but I'm sure that that's the case and that the others are simply putting up with it! That maid owes the entire country an apology!"
Can you see the problem with that suit?
This thread has been officially hijacked.
Posted 16 years ago # -
Barry
MemberHello,
There has been problems in the Comments section ever since I started coming here over a year ago and probably even before that, I have had what I consider "legit" comments disappear from there myself, whether it was from human error (someone hitting the wrong button) or maybe the comment was not worthy, or it ended up in a black hole some ware in "cyber space" who knows for sure? All a person can do is give your head a shake, try again, or carry on with something else, it is not, at least for me, not that big a deal.
Some kind of filtering in the Comments, I think, would be a good thing. Like deleting comments with no real substance, dealing with the software of the day, but probably that would lead to more people complaining that their comment was deleted and make matters worse, unless the person was informed some how, E-Mail maybe, on the reason why it was deleted, a lot more work for somebody.
BuBBy and I became members about the same time, about a year ago, and sure, we had our differences of opinion on some things, but he went on to be a Moderator and has helped, guided, informed and joked with lots of people along the way, at least 28 pages of posts in his profile. I believe, between Lee and BuBBy, they both have helped shape a pretty darn good forum, that has come a long way in the year that I have been here, keep in mind, it is all voluntarily on their part. For that I got to say,
Thank you,
BarryPosted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberOops, sorry ... made the last post before seeing that "Mr. High Horse" and his true colors had returned to attempt again to prove how smart he is. Suffice it to say you and I have a similar past on the web (yes, yes, I remember Compuserve well, was a charter member on AOL in the early nineties, etc. etc.). The difference is that you are the one "playing games," while I have merely stated facts and raised a valid issue you apparently just don't understand for all your supposed experience...
As for creating and hiding behind aliases, at least I have the nads to sign my name, and for the record, you mis-spelled Planecrazy. That's Plane as in "airplane" and crazy as in "crazy about planes." Your attempts to "jab" are sophomoric at best, so I'd suggest you give it up. I certainly have no need for any screen names but the one I've always used.
I could just as easily accuse you of making up everything you just claimed ... your credibility here is no better than anybody else's so give it a rest. If I had made up ANY of the aliases that have posted here, why would I have bothered at all to question my own positions in the process? You're assertions are absurd at best, sad at worst.
Anyway, enough ... you're simply not worth the time. I too know plenty of good "netizens" whose attention merits far more of my value time than yours does. Consider this ... there was very little in this thread that was outright contentious until YOU decided to stir it up. Was that fun for you? Hope so, because your efforts turned a legitimate thread into something it should never have become - that must make you so proud!
...and NOW I will refrain from engaging anymore in this pointless fray.
Regards,
Posted 16 years ago # -
Planecrazy
MemberAlright ... I lied ... now I've seen Lockett's post and I want respond one more time to you.
You and I disagree about the nature of this thread but I'm not going to debate each point - no need - your opinion is valid and so is mine. I just want to say "thank you" for your comments.
I agree that this thread has become something it shouldn't have and that's a shame. Barry just echoed with his comment what I've been implying all along - that there's a problem which could use some fixing. I was caught in the crossfire of this and I didn't appreciate it ... so I said something about it. If nobody says anything than nothing will ever change. I suspected I might get flamed over it and that's what happened. So be it ... it's done.
Regards,
Posted 16 years ago # -
RunesageMagik
MemberHi, Albert,
Ah, how I miss making puppets dance.
Always amusing and predictable, like chattering teeth tightly wound and set on a desktop. I'm no doctor, but to say goodbye, claim a subject's closed and stomp off only to return return again and again is a sign of an obsessive personality. They have medicine for that.BTW, plaincrazy wasn't a misspelling, moron, it was a play on words; and yes, baiting your type can be rather sophomoric but then the goal of your disruptor class is to drag everyone else down to the lowest common denominator and I'm obliged to follow just for fun. (I gave it up for Lent)
I would like to point out that they weren't "attempts to jab" they WERE jabs, you fool. You've been speared so many times, if you try to swallow water you'll resemble the Seattle Center fountain.
So, what'll it be, more displays of infantile braggadocio on your part, or will you just sit quietly in the corner and fume with feigned indignity?
Posted 16 years ago # -
RunesageMagik
MemberBarry, offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder. Had not someone slammed BubbyCo, I wouldn't have bothered uncapping my Gerber Strike Force. Sometimes a judicious flame serves a good purpose, at other times it can set a forest ablaze. Smokey the Bubbybear has already raised the fire rating to High (via semaphore signals), so I'm prepared to pour water on the embers.
Posted 16 years ago # -
FreewareFan
Member@ lockett While I agree that FreewareFan's response was pretty stupid(He hasn't posted in almost a half of a day! He's given up!)
Ohhh, now you've gone and hurt my feelings....
Posted 16 years ago # -
This thread is now officially closed, it`s indeed too much noise.
Slava
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