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Giveaway of the day — PaintSupreme

PaintSupreme allows you to create, edit and polish images in a fun way.
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PaintSupreme is a fun, easy-to-use, full featured paint and photo editor. With an outstanding graphic interface, a wide range of features that can compete with any other image editor, PaintSupreme provides users with a very cool environment for creating and polishing their images.

With this tool you get access to layer based image editing, color adjusting tools, selection tools, painting and retouching tools, text tools, various filters, transform tools, and vector tools. Add, support for Wacom graphic tablets, you get a powerful versatile and flexible image editing application.

System Requirements:

Windows XP/ Vista/ 7

Publisher:

BrainDistrict GmbH

Homepage:

http://www.braindistrict.com/en/paintsupreme

File Size:

61.8 MB

Price:

$19.99

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Hmmm, I've now had a really good fiddle with it, and I'm afraid it just isn't as good as Paint.Net with a full set of filters and plug-ins, and nowhere near as good as Gimp.

Sorry!

Reply   |   Comment by Perfumella  –  3 years ago
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I installed the software, but the software fails to run and gives error:

"The application failed to initialize properly (0x0150002). Click on OK to terminate the application."

Reply   |   Comment by Q  –  3 years ago
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Somehow I managed to squeak in 12 minutes after the giveaway (this morning/last night) It did register by the way...

First thing I was treated to was the GUI opening centered between two monitors -- ack! with a pop up saying click here to stop showin this message at startup.. Assuming I use my monitors are set that way doesn't mean I have them that way. While I am sure there are some config settings to stop all this nonsense and make her open on a single monitor, but I was ....

Then greeted by the lack of being able to pick a color to draw with.

Well I have it installed, and I might look at it further if I see how to pick colors, or change the brush... I guess... But frankly this is two strikes for me. I got to vote thumbs down.. Ignoring Adobe Photoshop and Gimp, even my 1996 Micrografx Picture Publisher is faster and more adept at my art/graphics workflow, and also uses some of the OLD classic filters like Andrews, etc.

I'm glad I snuck in 12 minutes late, but it feels like we are going backwards with this program here. Sorry I can't be more positive.

Reply   |   Comment by Fredward  –  3 years ago
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Failed to launch the program.

Fix?

Reply   |   Comment by Wurkupumpel  –  3 years ago
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HELP! After few unsuccessful (re)installs(and 1 checkdisk on 32bit XPProSP3), after finishing install with "Do you want to launch PaintSupreme now?", after click on "Finish" button nothing happens, and when i try to launch it with desktop icon, the same error message: "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0150002). Click OK to terminate the app." Any ideas?

Reply   |   Comment by mishasin  –  3 years ago
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Don't listen to the complaints about the dark background on the UI...those people must be blind. The background is dark grey (not black) and is very easy on the eyes...the text is light grey and easy to read...we need more software with dark UI's...it's the wave of the future.

Reply   |   Comment by Chris Austen  –  3 years ago
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Keeps opening the program window partially off my rightmost monitor. Does not retain the window positioning when dragged fully into visibility. (Win7 x64 Enterprise)

Always pops up the Welcome dialog even when the check box has been unchecked before exiting the program.

This doesn't particularly give me warm and fuzzy feelings toward the program.

Art

Reply   |   Comment by Art Shapiro  –  3 years ago
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Same as 56 but with win8 x64

Reply   |   Comment by Bill  –  3 years ago
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Hi, aah, my kind of Program, got into trouble I could not foresee and became stuck:(( I truly cannot understand the problem here!??

Like many (I mean many) Programs - installed in on a different than C drive (many of them GAOTD, all working perfectly!)
Managed to get it registered, started discovering it with interest, like Others ignoring the fact that top of it's window is hiding behind Taskbar, grey on black:), miner inconveniences after all.., BUT!

Noticed also that it "emptied" all the Files loosely into Folder where I keep Programs - something I truly dislike! Uninstalled it, installed again this time creating a Folder with it's name - got message: "GUI styles have been initialized not correctly" ?? Uninstalled it again, and again, and again..., with my Uninstaller (normal and thorough modes), with it's OWN uninstaller, created Folder called "Program Files":) instead of just "PaintSupreme-1.1" on my big drive.., no good either (uninstalled again!), FINALLY - installed it on C, where it "wanted" to be in a first place (in "proper" Program Files, in Folder IT gave name to) - NO GOOD!! Same GUI error message keeps coming back. Gone, won't open again.

Lost all hope:((, will have to miss out. Shame. Did I commit some major mistake?? Have no time to mess about further. I DID try!, lol.

Reply   |   Comment by fran  –  3 years ago
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#50 Ton: the website for the sketch program you suggest is not configured properly, it eventually tries to download the MSI installer but in IE8 at least it fails because it has MSI set to the wrong mime type using text/plain instead of something like application/octet that causes browsers configured to follow the mime type and not the file contents for security reasons to try and display the MSI rather than to download it... It can be downloaded if the end user has a download manager and they put the URL

http://download.ptc.com/product/creo/sketch/Creo-Sketch-2.0-F000.msi

in directly thus avoiding any mime type confusions.
I find the suggested free alternative much more usable and customisable than todays offering.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 years ago
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Seems a bit simpler than I imagined it's supposed to be. The grey on black IS annoying. My biggest beef is that, as noted, there is no "close file" option. This means closing the entire program after every completed edit and that is a major irritant.

Might be OK in a hurry, but not sure I will be keeping it.

Reply   |   Comment by TechDiva  –  3 years ago
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Ok, I tried this... on first run I dismissed the welcome screen and tried to use it manually and it failed to create a new image canvas, had to restart and let the welcome box create the new image then it worked, there seemd to significant "thinking time" after some button clicks, the preferences dialog has very few choices and it does not support synaptics touch pad presure control. The tool controls are not intuative and seem to be lacking a few controls. I think it's a pointless marketing phrase to say that any product can compete with something else because that says nothing at all about how well it competes... I could compete against a professional cyclist... I'd lose but I could still "compete" and I feel that way about this. Maybe it is trying to imply it is in the same league as highly equipped graphics editors, if that is the intent... it is a long way off the mark. It does apear to impliment vector drawing in a slightly different way than I am used to but it might have some merits.. IMHO the User Interface shares a problem with the likes of GIMP or Satori Photo XL in that they do have some significant features, Unique selling points but they have not tried to follow convention or standards and end up with a completely unintuative user interface you have to resort to using the help file to try and find the feature you are after because it's Graphic User Interface does not expose the features and tool settings visually.

I cannot see anyway to use photshop plugins with this or any way to define my own filters via a user interface or script.. I don't understand why if ink is black and background colour is set to white that when I draw an object on a transparent background all I see is a 1 pixel wide grey outline and if I reverse the ink/pen colours it makes no difference... It makes no obvious sense.

The activity history could be a good idea if it had a context menu where one could say delete an intermediate step and keep all that went before and after, otherwise it has little to no utilitarian value other than to act as more direct undo-redo list IMHO.

As I stated in my first comment this is quite imature in its development and I was right, it's uset interface needs to be filled out with relevent context menus and normal controls and tool-tips and some industry standard features like photoshop plugin interface and scriptable filter API.

Even from a GAOTD offering point of view it is imature in that they did not provide a build of the setup that was different from the standard build, meaning that despite the GAOTD teams best effort to encode and encrypt the installer... to protect the GAOTD 24hour offering integrity... which is now suitably encrypted and convuluted to make it more hassel than its worth to circumvent which is the best that any such company can hope for... their trial download available from their website accepts the GAOTD license key without issue anyway!

Oddly enough... after installing and activating the trial installer and trying it out I decided to give the GAOTD distributed files a try... and it won't install! It does the checking availability thing then, that box disapears and after a moderate wait the wrappers end screen announcing the key apears as if the installer had just been dismissed. There is obviously some silently ignored error happening preventing the unwrapped installer from working, I retried the original trial installer and that worked fine... so a mystery but from what I've seen not worth worrying about.

The program needs significantly more work if it is to compete SUCCSESSFULLY with any mature graphics application on any level IMHO.

I will keep the trial installer and key just in case I need to draw some grey 1 pixel lines of unpredictable curvature... but I won't be re-installing this until then.

Reply   |   Comment by TK  –  3 years ago
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I'm going to give this one a try, but I also wanted to add to the list of other free imaging/editing software - Photoscape. I've been using that for years and it has a lot of great features, including:

Viewer: View photos in your folder, create a slideshow
Editor: resizing, brightness and color adjustment, white balance, backlight correction, frames, balloons, mosaic mode, adding text, drawing pictures, cropping, filters, red eye removal, blooming, paint brush, clone stamp, effect brush
Batch editor: Batch edit multiple photos
Page: Merge multiple photos on the page frame to create one final photo
Combine: Attach multiple photos vertically or horizontally to create one final photo
Animated GIF: Use multiple photos to create a final animated photo
Splitter: Slice a photo into several pieces
Color Picker: Zoom in on images, search and pick a color
Rename: Change photo file names in batch mode
Raw Converter: Convert RAW to JPG
Paper Print: Print lined, graph, music and calendar paper
Face Search: Find similar faces on the Internet

http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/index.php

(I'm just a happy user of the program)

Reply   |   Comment by DownTheShore  –  3 years ago
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Pretty great little programme (if I could see it properly...). Ticks most of the right boxes, but needs to enable third party filters and add-ons. There are also some features I would expect to find such as saving as psd files and text to path etc. I work with graphics and use Photoshop, PSP, Gimp, Paint.Net and Vue Extreme and it comes somewhere between Paint.Net and Gimp, and considering that they are both free, there's a bit of work to be undertaken for it to be considered a serious contender.

Thanks GAOTD and BrainDistrict!

Reply   |   Comment by Perfumella  –  3 years ago
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I like this program. I do not seem to be bothered by the dark skin nor the gray letters. I ususally select darker backgrounds so that my colors show up more vivid. Will take a little getting use to but do like it. The only thing that I seem to notice that will take some getting use to, unless I am doing something wrong (settings etc), is the lag when moving in and out of the menue area. Love the concept and feel. If this is a new program, it can only get better. Will definitely keep. I am an end user, so I cannot comment on the technical side. The program is installed on a Quad Core(Q9400 @ 2.66GHz Yorkfield 45nm Technology and use a Wacom tablet. Hope that helps if indeed I need to do something to correct lag problem. Love the product and thank you GAOTD and BrainDistrict GmbH for this opportunity to try this software. Now back to learn some more of the product. Will go to website to see about tutorials

Reply   |   Comment by Shar  –  3 years ago
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interface I'm used to colors as it is same as Photoshop CS6 which I have on subscription. Been using PaintDotNet for 2 years and love that, this looks great!!!! Thanx, always looking for some new dawgs to teach old tricks to and to teach me some new ones! Thank you!!!!!

Reply   |   Comment by kathy  –  3 years ago
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Hi Giveawayoftheday team

what about making another giveaway with the most nice app IFX-Supreme

Reply   |   Comment by Amir  –  3 years ago
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There are a lot of programs out there, even some from MS, that are not aware of the location of the taskbar and open underneath. This is one of them. I find it rather annoying when I must use Alt-Space-Move to slide them out. Programmers -- PLEASE learn where your part of the screen is. Going full screen over the taskbar is OK, as long as there is a way to revert to normal.

Reply   |   Comment by Lee  –  3 years ago
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A little too dark for me to see well.
Should be a choice of background, text etc
for us half blind folk!!
Another suggestion,... get the prog to also
be able to use photoshop plugins! My favourites
are all able to use them, and some of them are free,..
like XNView, Chasys Draw, PixBuilder Studio,....
It looks like a good start though.

Reply   |   Comment by Martina  –  3 years ago
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What a wonderful surprise: a new developer with a new concept for graphics software.
Would be cool, when their 2nd programme IFX-Supreme - Filters and effects for your images would be one of the next giveaways.

I had not the opportunity to test the programmes thoroughly yet, but all I have seen of PaintSupreme and IFX-Supreme looks very promising, even the prices are moderate.

A request to the developer:
would you bundle both programmes and offer GOTD users a good deal for this bundle??? Please :)
Maybe when updated versions are launched?
Until then, I'll try to learn how the tools work.

Good luck, and thanks to BrainDistrict and the GOTD-Team - today was a good GOTD day.

graylox

Reply   |   Comment by graylox  –  3 years ago
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Grazie tante , Giovanni. Great job, as always!
You became my reference for free software.
Cheers from Brazil.

Reply   |   Comment by Paulo  –  3 years ago
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Hi All.

Downloaded OK and I am presently trying it out (Only had it for 15 mins). Has anyone using this tried PHOTOSCAPE?

This offering is better than some I agree, but the benchmarks have moved in recent times and a lot of photo manipulation tools are close to this and I would say, unless there is something so far undiscovered by me, PHOTOSCAPE is MUCH better.

So far there appears to be nothing particularly SUPREME in its performance. Its not even that intuitive but then few photo editing progs are.

Thanks for the opportunity to try this out and I shall keep it for a few weeks before deciding but Photoscape is my latest fav and unless there is reason to adopt this one, it will be the one that I will return to.

Reply   |   Comment by Terry  –  3 years ago
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Can't give it a plus or minus rating at this point.. It works similar to Adobe as far as the interface, to some degree minus a few expected options that control layers. There are a lot of other programs doing the same thing. I use Adobe, Corel, Serif, and a few others to do most anything. Each has there own strengths and weaknesses.

If I find it useful, I'll keep it, if not I have a few others to rely on that I already know work, and which have logical processes I am used to.

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I agree the Grey color(s) icons are a bit hard to use on a Black Background.

I batch processed all of the PNG icons I could find in the "ui" and "Pt_core" folders to a more colorful option and it looks much better and is easier in contrast on the eyes.

The Batch process was labeled "colourize" using Photoplus X5 from Serif. Took only a few minutes to change them all.

I don't think this should be necessary from a user standpoint, but it does make it easier to use the interface. A few alternative color options for the icons would be helpful; but you can change the ones supplied.

Reply   |   Comment by Pandine  –  3 years ago
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@41, 43 & 46. . .Had the same problem with registration, even though I had extracted the zipped files to another directory on my desktop, including the GCD file. OK button remained greyed out after I had pasted in the license key and clicking it did nothing.
Uninstalled it, ran CCleaner and Win utilities registry cleaner (not saying that made any difference, but that's what I did) then downloaded the zipped file from GAOD again, extracted the files again to my desktop, ran setup as before, pasted the licence key and this time it worked fine! Didn't do anything different from the first time, so if at first you don't succeed. . .

Reply   |   Comment by Blaggitt  –  3 years ago
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Well, I gave the program a shot. I like artist tools, like RageArt, Corel Painter, etc, although I rarely get to use them. One thing I saw missing was a color wheel or color selection tool to quickly switch the colors. So I found it reading the help menu, but that should be on top, rather than the Histogram. Let the Histogram be something you go digging for instead. I agree that we could have a different color scheme for the menus, but it is workable. I like the tools selection and the creative possibilities. I am also putting this on my backup PC that I have Art Rage on for my 8 year old niece, who has artistic talent and inclinations, but I am afraid the interface might be too complex for her - for now. Overall, thumbs up.

Reply   |   Comment by Chuck  –  3 years ago
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Having used PaintSupreme more, it's worth keeping but needs work. The contrast of the UI is too low, although fullscreen helps. Some preview windows are ridiculously small, although it's not the only editor with that problem. As with most complex applications, it's essential to study the Help file.

#50, Ton, that's your opinion. Read the description, "full featured paint and photo editor", "wide range of features that can compete with any other image editor". The fact is, all image editors both process photos and have painting features. PaintSupreme is weaker as an image processor. I find Chasys Draw IES to be a bit easier to use, but all image editors have different features (and bugs). PaintSupreme has some features which are implemented in sophisticated ways with lots of parameters which are different than other image editors, but that's true of all of them. It would be impossible to implement a feature set which everyone would agree is best. PhotoPerfect has one of the best preview implementations that I've seen, and generally has excellent ease-of-use, but otherwise it has lots of bugs and other shortcomings.

Reply   |   Comment by Fubar  –  3 years ago
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There's a nice free one called PictBear from the makers of the Sleipnir web browser that I've been using for a few years. Development has ended so there will be no further updates.

http://www.fenrir-inc.com/us/pictbear/

Reply   |   Comment by Bob  –  3 years ago
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@2...there's other powerful programs than just photoshop, such as paint shop pro and much more less complicated to use as well
Thanks GAOTD

Reply   |   Comment by Terry  –  3 years ago
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Great program with all the basics for quick editing or slight effects. wish the default output could be changed... so I can direct output to where I want without having to click more. also does this default to.png? thumbs up, but have just started using.

Reply   |   Comment by AC  –  3 years ago
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Installed but it never installed the software. Instead went directly and said I activiated the software and took me to the activiate screen. No sign that the software is on my computer (XP).

Reply   |   Comment by Larry  –  3 years ago
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I decided to check this giveaway out to see how it compared to paint.net with all of the extra filters that paint.net offers. here are my results:

GUI and Tools:
No delete selection other than CTRL-Z to undo things.
Lacks a 'X' button on layer management that will delete the selected layer for you. The program does have a delete layer but it is in the right button context menu.
No delete in the edit menu
No clear all in the edit menu
No delete or clear selection in the edit menu
Transform tool was very promising! It was a nice rendering feature that bended and twisted the image in interesting ways. + for that! Looking at the tutorials online showed that much could be done with this tool. Excellent effects can be done by those that can use these tools proficiently.
Filters did what they were expected to do, and well, I must add.
UI colors could use some adjusting, but overall looked sleek.
Gradient tool worked excellently and all the settings associated with were well thought out.
Vector based drawing a plus!
Polygon drawing tool is good doing up to a 15 side polygon.
Some buttons are not intuitive, as the save should have the button with the down button on top of the floppy, the open should have a folder with and arrow pointing out of the folder.

The website:
Website is clean and does not have any noticeable spelling or grammatical errors.
A handful and a half of tutorials that take a person through the steps to get proficient at the tools that are in this program.
Tutorials are well written and well thought out/planned. End results are excellent and make me want to spend more time with this program.

Overall: A keeper. I might invest in the linux port as Gimp's UI traditionally has been wanting.

Reply   |   Comment by Daniel  –  3 years ago
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Grey on Black kills it for old eyes like mine
really wanted to try it

Reply   |   Comment by Dick  –  3 years ago
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Win 7 32-bit. Failed to start. Installed again. Same error. Gave up.

Reply   |   Comment by Andy  –  3 years ago
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#44. Sorry should be laptop, of course.

Reply   |   Comment by par  –  3 years ago
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Found the problem. My Avira antivirus reports "Virus or unwanted program 'TR/Crypt.ULPM.Gen [trojan]'
detected in file 'C:\Documents and Settings\xxx\Local Settings\Temp\{A8B6DE6A-E0DC-4EAB-A152-E90AA7856FEE}\setup.exe." Could this be a false positive ?

Reply   |   Comment by tomsglr  –  3 years ago
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REVIEW follow-up

I noticed, some of you see this software as a photo editor.
That's fine. But Paint Supreme is really an Artist Tool. A painting software like ArtRage, CorelPainter Essentials, SketchBook....

To take advantage of the program, a WACOM tablet is a MUST.

Paint Supreme aims at the concept artist. Concept artists will notice that. The brushes are ideal for city scapes, technology, Science Fiction.

An alternative close to Paint Supreme is CreoSketch (free)
http://www.ptc.com/product/creo/sketch/

I agree, the black interface is not for everyone.
A customization option would be nice.

Reply   |   Comment by Ton  –  3 years ago
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Never mind about the registration process..this program really isn't very adaptable for the variety of uses and applications that just about any other decent paint/photo editing softyware can do.
Can't even place text on a path.
I'm going to uninstall it.

Reply   |   Comment by Barb  –  3 years ago
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You look at the screen shots they might be a skin or based on the users computer - Look close - that looks like a MAC window not a Windows. How about you download and try i before you knock it.

I know I will - I can always use a new cool image editor..

Larry

Reply   |   Comment by Larry  –  3 years ago
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Lots of features, nice tabbed UI (I like black interfaces) that does not intrude into the creative process. The layer functions are welcome. On the down side, PaintSupreme does not appear to recognize pressure sensitive tablets (aka Wacom Bamboo) and is very slow as a painting tool with considerable lag on my system. This makes for rather jerky behavior even with simple monochromatic brushes. Also, though the layer functions are great (distort, scale, etc) they operate too slowly for accuracy on my system. I conclude this tool needs the very latest hardware to be usable.

Reply   |   Comment by JFC  –  3 years ago
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"OK" button not becoming applicable in order to finalize the licensing process. Entering the serial number but nothing else allows registration process.

Reply   |   Comment by Barb  –  3 years ago
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Interesting how it's almost a duplicate of Pro Photo 4.
Even the exact icons used are the same.

Go look at the screenshots at corel.

Reply   |   Comment by Heidi-Ann Kennedy  –  3 years ago
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I was pleasantly surprised it had a magic wand tool. I just learned to use this in an older version of Ulead PhotoImpact. My business card is going to look great.

About the interface.........colors are defined in the ui.xml file. I've changed some values making them lighter, but can't seem to find the setting for the main background.

I'll post back if I locate it. I give it a thumbs up.

Reply   |   Comment by Jim  –  3 years ago
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Downloaded and installed the application. Opened the Help and clicked on Enter Serial. Copied the serial from gotd text and pasted and the OK button remains grey and does not respond to click. Application continues to be unregistered. Anything wrong with the key. GOTD officials may please look into this and come with a solution. Would much appreciate your help.

Rangan D P

Reply   |   Comment by DP Rangan  –  3 years ago
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@ 33-Redphantom: No, PaintSupreme is not compatible with 8bf filters.

Reply   |   Comment by ouialaraison  –  3 years ago
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I'm not able to paste the license # since the button is grayed out. Anyone willing to help me with this? Thanks, Wayne Harvey

Reply   |   Comment by wayne harvey  –  3 years ago
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After using this on a couple of high-resolution sample images, it is a good alternative to more complicated low-cost applications.

This allows for color and contrast adjustment, cropping and resizing, import and export among some formats and tools for vector use. There are rudimentary filters available for sharpening "enhance focus" and "focus restoration", but I found them a bit too strong. To improve it needs better filters for sharpen/blur that do not produce artifacts.

There are also basic selection tools and cloning-- but I found the cloning tool less than intuitive and difficult to use.

The paintbrush tool however, was wonderful to use, and sampled the pixels rather than the color, so instead of producing a blotch of color, it nicely blended with the image for retouching areas of uneven skin on the test photo's faces. This may be superior to the method that Photoshop employs. I did not like however the icons used for the brush that were one style for sample selection, but changed to a smaller cross icon when the brush is used.

The dark interface and subdued type mimic both Photoshop and Lightroom 4, and allow for better color work, I found them easy to use.

Overall I find this to be superior to all but the high-end applications like Adobe Photoshop CS6 and Photoshop Lightroom 4-- it's an easy choice here for free use, and big kudos to Giveaway of the Day for snagging this one for us.

It's staying on my laptop-- I use Lightroom 4 on it to manage photoshoots and proof images, this one will allow for some quick and easy retouching before proofing to clients.

Sadly, it lacks support for importing/opening RAW format images from my cameras, but this is hardly a deal-breaker. It won't replace Photoshop however, as my weapon-of-choice.

Reply   |   Comment by Darrel  –  3 years ago
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Does it have any other skins? The black interface is very difficult to read.

Reply   |   Comment by Luckey  –  3 years ago
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I wouldn’t give a cent for a program that doesn’t tell me the size, dimensions and W/H ratio of an image (like XnView), that wouldn’t let me rotate freely an image or a layer (like PhotoFiltre), that doesn’t have a polygone free selection tool (PhotoFiltre), that wouldn’t let me make the inside or outside of a selection transparent in one click without having to bother with layers (PhotoFiltre again…) etc.
Nevertheless I do appreciate PaintSupreme brushes and their settings, especially its rotatable long brush, absent in my collection of free or pre-installed graphics programs (The Gimp, PhotoFiltre, XnView, IrfanView, Paint, Photoshop Elements Editor) and this brush alone (which can save a lot of work) will allow PaintSupreme to stay here in my computer and add a couple more lines to my registry, and hopefully, with time, I will find in it some more tools or settings only available in expensive programs like PaintShopPro or PhotoShop that will justify it further.

Reply   |   Comment by ouialaraison  –  3 years ago
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Forget about my Registration Question. When I fist started the install a screen asking for a name and License key popped up. Continuing with the installation I found that only the license key was required by the actual program so I'm registered.

Reply   |   Comment by William Gorman  –  3 years ago
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oh.. right.. and I LIKE the black background.. text could have some hue in it though.. not yellow please

Reply   |   Comment by opal  –  3 years ago
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