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Started 10 years ago by mikiem2
Latest reply from goodgotd

mikiem2
Moderator

There seemed some misconceptions in the comments on the download page, so I thought it might be helpful to some if I re-posted my comment & expanded on it a bit.

I'll start by saying that while there are some incredibly cheap tablets & such, there are Android devices that hardly play 2nd fiddle to today's average PC.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/10/samsung-11k-display/

The reason I'm leading off with that is because looking at or for PC-centric solutions to working with your Android gear isn't always the best way to go -- in fact to many Android users it's actually a bit oddball. That said, things are quite a bit different in the US than elsewhere, because here most cell phones [& LTE tablets] are both sold & tied to a cellular service or carrier.

One big difference between working with Android devices vs. PCs/laptops is that you don't install an OS [e.g. Windows or *nix], & in fact there isn't a universal, one-fits-all Android OS comparable to say, Windows 8.1 or even Ubuntu Linux. Think of Android as more a framework that can be tailored into a specific OS for each & every device. To replace the version of Android you replace the image, much like you'd update firmware. And the basic, out-of-box image usually stays put, so you can reset your Android cell or tablet to the way it was when you 1st unpacked it.

While you can back up that image, software to do so is usually related to projects where you can replace the ROM, say with a newer version of Android -- because the OS is so tailored to the device, you're very often stuck with what came with it [forever] otherwise. What you do normally backup is everything you've added since you unpacked your tablet or cell. You may back it up to Google, the device manufacturer, your cellular carrier etc., & that's usually the simplest, easiest, don't worry about it method.

Moving files back & forth, between your cell/tablet & whatever else, be it a PC or cloud storage, is usually easiest using something like Dropbox, unless the file(s) is huge. The fastest way is if your device lets you use a microSD card, use a USB 3.0 card reader. USB 2.0 direct connections usually work, normally with no drivers or software needed when you connect your cell/tablet with your PC/laptop. Depending on your device, if your PC/laptop has a wireless networking adapter, you might be able to share files directly that way too, without going through your network. There are also apps that basically set up a server on your PC/laptop or Android device, so you use your network basically the same way you use the Internet, transferring files etc.

Now, on to Apowersoft Phone Manager... It's a semi-complicated app that added 473 files & 609 new registry entries when monitored in my XP Mode VM -- newer versions of Windows will likely have more registry entries. It does add drivers.

When you connect your cell or tablet to your PC/laptop via USB, you will not see every file/folder on the Android device, because 1st off Android is derived from *nix, which uses a different file system. This sort of software helps bridge that gap, though you'll still not see everything, even using the device itself unless it's rooted. OTOH you can use your device to put stuff you want to share in the storage that's accessible to your PC via plain USB.

Apowersoft Phone Manager bundles several functions together in a Windows/Android pair of apps. This is a case where I think it's helpful to spend some time on the software's web site. There are several ways to get the software installed on your Android device -- using their web site, scanning the code, the Google Play store, transferred via USB cable, transferring the apk via Dropbox or Onedrive, if your device supports it via WiFi, copying it to a microSD card if your device can use one etc. The Android app does require USB Debugging turned on -- see your device manufacturer's directions. Installing the Windows software is of course pretty straightforward.

Apowersoft Phone Manager brings several functions together in one piece of software that works with Android & iOS devices. In a way it's like the power tools or yard tools or small kitchen appliances &/or tools/gadgets that can perform several [often very] different functions -- the idea is you buy one thing instead of several, & always the downside is that they never perform as well as the separate tools. Still, many people would rather go that route, only having to deal with one thing instead of several. Just remember that with Android there is some truth to the saying: "There's an app for that."

Windows mobile devices are a bit of a gray area, because Windows 10 Mobile is not near finished yet, & my understanding is that most all current phones will be upgraded to 10. It's estimated to be a year before we see small Windows tablets running win10 Mobile -- until then & with larger Windows tablets [e.g. Surface] they run the same Windows you do on your PC/laptop. Backing them up &/or connecting them to your PC/laptop works the same as with PCs/laptops.

Posted 10 years ago #
goodgotd
Member

The fastest way is if your device lets you use a microSD card, use a USB 3.0 card reader. USB 2.0 direct connections usually work, normally with no drivers or software needed when you connect your cell/tablet with your PC/laptop.

USB 3 is a little more than is useful for at least some of the MicroSD cards- the ones I've handled are only class 4, and USB 2.0 does a fine job pumping the bits to & from them.

Some non-android touchscreen devices like the LG 305C / 306G also have MicroSD cards, and don't need USB drivers in WinXP- unlike some [most?] Android units introduced well after it's release. Those models are usable with the Safelink ['obamaphone?] free low-income cell service, on which no Android device is eligible. [ebay has 'em, brand new around or under $10.]

Many Android handsets ['phone' just doesn't seem to cover it what with all the *other* devices built in- I can find a local phone number with voice search on google faster than my wife can find the phone book!] can log into an available Wi-Fi connection and transfer data faster than the 2/3g rates- and not use data or minutes.

another file transfer path that I am waiting on computer dongles for is Bluetooth.

I'd love to have the
Depending on your device, if your PC/laptop has a wireless networking adapter, you might be able to share files directly that way too, without going through your network.

method explained... that one I didn't catch a sniff of.

For the past week I've been learning 'Android smartphone with touchscreen' on a cheap [they blew 'em out at $10] Tracfone LG L38C Optimus Dynamic handset- 3.2" touchscreen, Android 3.2.6, less than 180 megs of app RAM... and I haven't bought airtime for it.

[good thing, too- I've had to wipe it back to factory settings 6 times so far after painting myself into a corner.]

I've been hooked to my Wi-Fi connection, and while I can't make phone calls- I can do data in great gobs [netflix works great, just tiny] and there's a couple of websites that allow texting on computers- or through the browser on a Wi-Fi connected handset. :)

Apowersoft phone manager pro is one of 5 Android managers I'm testing and so far the easiest to get connected to the handset. I haven't really gotten into the nuts and bolts, but it's reasonably straightforward.

IMO, of course.

Posted 10 years ago #
Whiterabbit-uk
Games Guru

Thanks guys.

Posted 10 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

"USB 3 is a little more than is useful for at least some of the MicroSD cards- the ones I've handled are only class 4, and USB 2.0 does a fine job pumping the bits to & from them."

FWIW in the US if you watch the sales a pretty decent Samsung EVO class 10 32GB is about $10 - $12, & I picked up the 64GB version at Walmart for $20. For smaller, normal sized files you're right -- USB 2.0 is fine -- but there's no way I have the patience to transfer 4+GB unless I'm using USB 3.0, & then I fuss that it's taking too long. ;)

On my Windows tablet I have a VHD [Virtual Hard Disk] on the microSD card - when mounted it makes installing software to the card easier -- but AFAIK that's not all that common. On my Android tablet OTOH I have quite a few movies I've stuck on its microSD card, which I suspect is a fairly common thing to do, & that's where I more often get into transferring all those GBs.

"another file transfer path that I am waiting on computer dongles for is Bluetooth."

I've picked up a couple a few years back on sale for just a dollar or two through retailers like Meritline, DX, FocalPrice etc. They're only Bluetooth 2, but that's all there was at the time, & I just never used them enough to look at newer, better versions.
http://www.focalprice.com/bluetooth-adapters/ca-005001.html

"I'd love to have the
Depending on your device, if your PC/laptop has a wireless networking adapter, you might be able to share files directly that way too, without going through your network.
method explained... that one I didn't catch a sniff of. "

On the PC end of things it's more common with notebooks for setting up small, ad-hoc networks -- I *think* many come with a manufacturer's app &/or driver software to make that easier. At any rate it's a direct WiFi connection that works sort of like the old single cable that people once used to connect 2 PCs before networks were so common. While it's part of the Android OS, it may or may not be implemented by the manufacturer, who *may* also include their own app, which itself may come with some proprietary restrictions. Google Play also has several apps listed for direct WiFi connections.

While wireless is common for laptops, usually I think people just buy a USB dongle for desktop PCs -- I picked up a couple on sale here & there, though nothing fancy like dual band or anything, but they were dirt cheap [one of the nicer of the bunch was even free after rebate].

Where many people 1st saw direct WiFi I think was on TV commercials for biz class copiers/printers, where they used near field hardware to connect the printer/copier with a cell/tablet with a physical tap or bump. The 1st I ran into it was with the last couple of printers I've bought, though it is/was more of an option for guests that didn't want/need to install the regular Android apps from Epson or Brother. [The brother app is actually kind of neat, even letting me use the scanner with the Android tablet, though I'd expect most would just use the device's camera rather than a scanner.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ad_hoc_network
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/set-computer-to-computer-adhoc-network#1TC=windows-7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Direct
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/wi-fi-direct-what-it-is-and-why-you-should-care-1065449
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/wifip2p.html
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=wifi%20direct&c=apps&hl=en

" there's a couple of websites that allow texting on computers- or through the browser on a Wi-Fi connected handset. :)"

You can do this using the regular Android/Google apps once you sign up for one of their free phone numbers, the catch being it won't work with every carrier in the US. You can also use it for phone calls over WiFi. I used to use it all the time with my Android tablet, but then our cable/broadband/phone service provider released a Windows applet that let's me use the home phone number for texting.

"Apowersoft phone manager pro is one of 5 Android managers I'm testing and so far the easiest to get connected to the handset."

That's great! Soon enough I'd imagine you'll be loading more apps than you probably should, which is normal BTW. You'll start coming across stuff that looks like it'll work well, if not better, & may be easier yet to use. Many of the apps won't live up to their promises, so you'll look further, try more, & then eventually get sucked in like most of us. :) I have to laugh, my wife got her Kindle HD *only* to read -- in fact she only got the HD model because of a great deal last Black Friday season. 7 months later she has trouble finding the time to read all the books she's loaded, she's spending so much time with the apps & games. ;)

Posted 10 years ago #
goodgotd
Member

For smaller, normal sized files you're right -- USB 2.0 is fine -- but there's no way I have the patience to transfer 4+GB unless I'm using USB 3.0, & then I fuss that it's taking too long. ;)

try dealing with a 100mbps network- through a USB 2.0 to fast Ethernet dongle- in a USB 1.0 port. Impatience was not an option.

I think the newest computer I own I built using parts on the older end of the price scale about 2010 or so. Maybe later, not much- Athlon X2 3200+ [in single-core mode, dunno why] 4 gigs of RAM and 500 gigs of HDD. the other 2 computers are 2005 Dell D610 laptops, and the fastest one is 2 ghz. XP all around.

A plus is wired gigabit from the router [which has 3 802.11n SSID's with separate customized settings each] on out. router's much newer than the X2.

I copied 3 gigs of mp3's to my phone and to me, it was reasonably fast.

Google Play also has several apps listed for direct WiFi connections.

I'll look into that, thanks.

I think this handset has Bluetooth 2.1. <shrug>

I intend to buy airtime, but a $20 card is gonna have to wait at least a couple of months- if the wife's doctor visits don't hammer us again. Much more likely I will pay down my paypal credit account and buy a $77-80 1 year card off Ebay. I don't want this tied down to my home WiFi.

I see a neurosurgeon mid-September, and at that point I find out if he's going to fuse both the blown discs at once or not. I'm voting to get it over with, so I'll have a 4 level plate in my neck. :) they gotta pull the current 2-level plate any way it falls out.

That's great! Soon enough I'd imagine you'll be loading more apps than you probably should, which is normal BTW. You'll start coming across stuff that looks like it'll work well, if not better, & may be easier yet to use. Many of the apps won't live up to their promises, so you'll look further, try more, & then eventually get sucked in like most of us.

Did I mention painting myself into corners more than once?

Err... I do find more than a touch of irony that we're discussing 'try more and get sucked in' on a site that tosses 365++ programs & apps a year at us- not counting games!

I have to laugh, my wife got her Kindle HD *only* to read

I'll add a chuckle to that!

Our family is still running Kindle Keyboards, one and all. [...and I have 4 spare kindles and 2 brand new spare e-ink screens, plus lotsa parts...] Screen gets busted, I replace it.

The one I carry has 2283 books on it- 99% of which I've read multiple times, often in hard copy [often wearing out multiple copies] long before eBooks.

Before the 'Net.

Many before the BBS days- heck, while rotary phones were the ONLY phones.

I read a *lot*.

and we get gobs more battery life!

Alas, my gaming days are pretty well over. And I'm gonna have to get past the training wheels before I can work with more than a few tiny apps.

OTOH, I kind of have a different mission for the Optimus Dynamic, and the apps on it are plenty. music, location & maps, quick pics I can push to Terri then communicate in places like costco. or if we go into different stores. memo pad, basic calculator, fast phone # lookups... good enough. And it's small.

we get some $ to spare... we'll see.

Posted 10 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

"try dealing with a 100mbps network- through a USB 2.0 to fast Ethernet dongle- in a USB 1.0 port. Impatience was not an option."

:(
I'm one of those people with ADHD because... Oh look at the cute puppy...
Jokes based on T-Shirts aside, I avoid stuff that takes a long time, like long copies, as best I can because I'll basically wander off, get doing something else, & who knows how much longer glance over at my desk, & "Oh". Then I remember all the stuff I wanted to do at the PC once the copy was finished, "Oh My", try to rush through stuff, & basically my scheduling ability for the next day & a half [or longer] is likely shot. I'll tell you a secret: I can type this into Notepad right now because my morning coffee tethers me to my desk -- doesn't work to carry it with me because I'll forget where I set it. Long story short, if it requires lots of hands-off patience, I'll more than likely just not do it.

" if the wife's doctor visits don't hammer us again."

Good Luck wishes... My wife just left for a CAT scan, so maybe I have a bit more empathy this morning.

"I see a neurosurgeon mid-September, and at that point I find out if he's going to fuse both the blown discs at once or not. I'm voting to get it over with, so I'll have a 4 level plate in my neck"

DON"T Want To Think About It! Sorry... The docs wanted to do surgery several years ago, so having this wonderful resource called the Internet, I started doing research like any good consumer. The procedure called for basically beheading me. Once I got done with the freaking out part, calm logic took over. My immune system etc. being what it is, I'd not survive -- the last time I had stitches [or rather staples] I was in almost unbearable pain for weeks, till they removed the tape covering them. The instant relief can best be described as it was like they injected some massive dose of morphine.

SO I just put up with whatever this screwed up body throws at me -- no choice. And who knows, maybe someday a pair of meteors will strike the headquarters for the NIH & CDC, & maybe their replacements will actually spend some money on finding treatments, or gasp, a cure for the millions afflicted with this illness, rather than downplaying it so they can spend their time & money studying stuff like the reproductive habits of cockroaches or something. Realize it's not likely, but one can dream.

"Alas, my gaming days are pretty well over. And I'm gonna have to get past the training wheels before I can work with more than a few tiny apps. "

I can relate to the reading -- I was a bit like that before this illness shut down that portion of my brain. My wife is still like that -- the Kindle was something I had been trying to talk her into for years, especially since we filled the bookcase in the bedroom closet & have absolutely no place for another one.

The games can be great mental exercise, especially for people 50 or older. Personally I'm a bit fascinated by the canniness of some Android game developers, applying basic psychology to trick players into attempting simple tasks that the game is designed to to make near impossible. Because it is such a simple task, & because many people have a core belief in software helping them complete whatever tasks, they get hooked on something like the infamous Flappy Bird, never realizing what's happening, that their brains can't grasp the notion that they're spending [often huge amounts of] time doing something senseless over & over, simply because what absolutely has to be simple & easy isn't because the game's rigged against them. Obviously those are not the sorts of games I'd recommend.

Anyway, Android's pretty easy to master as a user once you start to get a feel for it. Under the hood it's basically *nix if you decide to go further, though it's a sort of *nix that handcuffs you, ties your hands so you can't configure everything. And because most Android developers try to write to the lowest common denominator, most stuff is simple so it'll run on the lowest power devices, making it easier for them to write or code. That in turn means volume is key, so there are more apps & games than can ever be looked at by any one person. And that volume means that there are loads of developers racking their brains to come up with something new, much more so than with Windows, & that means that there are some really, truly useful niche apps. A good example is something very few people could/would use, but was perfect for a project I was working on -- it gives you an approximate reading of the temperature of the light the camera sees, as in daylight bulbs being around 5500K.

"OTOH, I kind of have a different mission for the Optimus Dynamic, and the apps on it are plenty. music, location & maps, quick pics I can push to Terri then communicate in places like costco. or if we go into different stores. memo pad, basic calculator, fast phone # lookups... good enough. And it's small.

we get some $ to spare... we'll see. "

*To me* the Google Play store is cool if I have something specific in mind, but otherwise I like the Amazon app store better, though you have to watch as many of the apps are not the latest version, & they have less of a selection. I have a secondary Amazon account that I only ever associate with rebate debit cards & such, which lets me feel safe about sharing it, making it available for all the Android devices in the family [the boys each have several, & they can get stolen/lost]. That way I can check their free app(s) & books daily from my PC, grabbing whatever for whomever. The other day I picked up something for the younger boy, & just left it in the account for him to install whenever -- today I'll get the free game & have it sent to my wife's Kindle.

Posted 10 years ago #
goodgotd
Member

Medslammed today, I'll try and do better later. long-term Valium effects sound similar to parts of ADHD.

The procedure called for basically beheading me.

I just call it getting my throat cut. they don't cut the spinal cord, honest.

A good example is something very few people could/would use, but was perfect for a project I was working on -- it gives you an approximate reading of the temperature of the light the camera sees, as in daylight bulbs being around 5500K.

what's the app? I like to know. [that's why a lot of decent CRT monitors have 5500k as one of the base settings...] My cameras *are* my memory. no DSLR's, no really high-end p&s's, but handicapped stickers all over.

OTOH, my first 4 mp camera took 41,000 photos in 4 months. I save every one to DVD-r's.

Posted 10 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

White Balance Color Temp Meter
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cassiopeia.camera

There may or may not be better, but it accomplished just what I needed.

long-term Valium effects sound similar to parts of ADHD.

I like to say I'm a cheap drunk, because the effects of such things are SO Amplified with me, though I've learned to be careful -- Don't want to say that within earshot of an idgit doc. :( I can't even tolerate the slightest smell of alcohol, so what's amusing to me is an excuse to deny care to the healthcare community. [Alcohol intolerance is very common to my illness, but alas, total ignorance of my illness is just as common among docs.]

My cameras *are* my memory. no DSLR's, no really high-end p&s's,

In case it's ever of interest, Olympus makes their PEN line of cameras -- you can often pick up one of the older, Micro Four Thirds cameras used for a good price... my impression is that they're popular among travelers with money, who often just toss them in their bags as a spare, so they go for a cheaper price used. The advantage of these cameras is that image stabilization is in the body, & adapters to use old 35mm film camera lenses are very cheap & plentiful, as are many of those lenses.

Canon refurbs are also very popular among those with very strict budgets -- Google & you should find all sorts of discussions on how to get one relatively cheap from Canon.

That said, there's really nothing at all wrong with a cheap camera -- from what I've seen, unless you've got a big bucks pro Nikon, the differences between most all of them is mainly in the extra goodies. I got an Olympus PEN because I want to use my old [pre-illness] 35mm glass, but for your general, average snapshots, the Olympus [which originally retailed for something like $600 or more], takes pictures that are very much the same as our old Kodak, which I paid hardly anything for years & years ago.

OTOH, my first 4 mp camera took 41,000 photos in 4 months.

Yeah, sounds like my 1st digital camera, a 1 mp that connected via the parallel port. :)

You **might** find that the 3 mp camera on your new cell won't replace your old camera for stills, but could be plenty for video, which you might like or find handier sometimes.

Came across these checking the camera on your cell out of curiosity:
http://tracfone.deviceanywhere.com/net10/home.seam?custId=NTLGL38C
http://tracfonereviewer.blogspot.com/2013/11/lg-optimus-dynamic-review-tracfone.html

Posted 10 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

Useful or of interest?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.opensignal.wifi

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchtype.swiftkey&referrer=utm_source%3Dandroidcentral%26utm_medium%3Dblog%26utm_campaign%3Dbloglink

Posted 10 years ago #
goodgotd
Member

bad day, fell twice, plus icing on top.

White Balance Color Temp Meter
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cassiopeia.camera

There may or may not be better, but it accomplished just what I needed.

I keep getting this error message: 'Error downloading <insert app>. There is insufficient storage on the device.'
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170 mb free RAM, .95 gb free of the 1 gig interna & .93 gig on 4 gb MicrSD. I don't get it.

OTOH, my first 4 mp camera took 41,000 photos in 4 months.

Yeah, sounds like my 1st digital camera, a 1 mp that connected via the parallel port. :)

1996 I was given a 1mp HP Photosmart with a 4 meg bcard that held 8 pictures. 9 pin serial connection. I got a smartcard reader ASAP! it took 39,000.

currently Carry Cam is a Canon Powershot SX130IS.

no, I'm not looking for a wifi mapper, though the spare LG-L38C might be a pocket router in stores...

Posted 10 years ago #
goodgotd
Member

:(
I'm one of those people with ADHD because... Oh look at the cute puppy...

I had a female fellow student like that in my first DP class that came in stoned every day- the lectures and programming part... well, "Oh look at the cute puppy..."- but then, she didn't care, and she could type eyes-to-keystrokes like a bullet train. that's the job she wanted.

never found what happened to the job when Hollerith punch-cards got a lot less popular by the next year.

I was on the geek side hating 10 character a second teletypes. and occasionally getting to a video terminal at 960 CPS. 'Borrowed' one of those and a 300 baud [30 CPS] acoustic modem [used the Ma Bell handset] over the summer- teacher was cool, but the principal caught me sneaking it back- much fun ensued!

White Balance Color Temp Meter
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cassiopeia.camera

There may or may not be better, but it accomplished just what I needed.

now to find one my phone can install...

Tuesday I get to actually leave the house. I can test the camera on text- some testing suggests blurred but usable- if I don't think I'll need to print a 'copy' if they lose it. fixed focus stinks. see how the signal & GPS work out against a GSM phone. Oh, paypal credit let me get 120 minutes/3 months for $29.10.

Got Terri a CDMA phone, with lots better signal- and she's ballistic the WiFi seems broke, even though a new one's already on the way. Sheesh!

While wireless is common for laptops, usually I think people just buy a USB dongle for desktop PCs -- I picked up a couple on sale here & there, though nothing fancy like dual band or anything, but they were dirt cheap [one of the nicer of the bunch was even free after rebate].

I have a policy for that: If the computer doesn't move- a lot- it's Gigabit Hardwired.

I'm working hard to convince my wife that she needs a cable, since her laptop never moves more than a yard.

"OTOH, I kind of have a different mission for the Optimus Dynamic, and the apps on it are plenty. music, location & maps, quick pics I can push to Terri then communicate in places like costco. or if we go into different stores. memo pad, basic calculator, fast phone # lookups... good enough. And it's small.

we get some $ to spare... we'll see. "

*To me* the Google Play store is cool if I have something specific in mind, but otherwise I like the Amazon app store better, though you have to watch as many of the apps are not the latest version, & they have less of a selection.

wasn't talking more apps- I meant the platform. as in getting a bigger screen, memory, and later Android version. and that's the plan for

FWIW in the US if you watch the sales a pretty decent Samsung EVO class 10 32GB is about $10 - $12, & I picked up the 64GB version at Walmart for $20. For smaller, normal sized files you're right -- USB 2.0 is fine

too.

I have a secondary Amazon account that I only ever associate with rebate debit cards & such, which lets me feel safe about sharing it, making it available for all the Android devices in the family [the boys each have several, & they can get stolen/lost].

I thought you could remote-nuke a lost handset?

SO I just put up with whatever this screwed up body throws at me -- no choice. And who knows, maybe someday a pair of meteors will strike the headquarters for the NIH & CDC, & maybe their replacements will actually spend some money on finding treatments, or gasp, a cure for the millions afflicted with this illness, rather than downplaying it so they can spend their time & money studying stuff like the reproductive habits of cockroaches or something. Realize it's not likely, but one can dream.

figure out how the pharma corporats can make serious $ off it, it'd go on the front burner. research follows the bucks. same thing about fixing busted nerves. heck, that would REDUCE their sales!

n case it's ever of interest, Olympus makes their PEN line of cameras -- you can often pick up one of the older, Micro Four Thirds cameras used for a good price... my impression is that they're popular among travelers with money, who often just toss them in their bags as a spare, so they go for a cheaper price

that's playing above my pay grade. The HP I was given 'cost' $399. she got it free.

I've not yet pad more than $200 for a camera, and I prefer Canon. got an Olympus 4mp for $2 at a yard sale, another for 5 at the goodwill. that one my wife uses- refuses to accept better.

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