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Giveaway of the day — AWicons Pro

AWicons Pro offers professional graphics editing tools in conjunction with ready-to-use effects and small graphics optimization feature.
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AWicons Pro was available as a giveaway on March 11, 2009!

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AWicons Pro is a special application that lets you work with small graphics – icons, cursors, buttons, interface and website components, and so on. Working with AWicons Pro generates superb results!

While AWicons Pro is geared toward professional use by web designers, programmers and digital artists, any advanced user with basic knowledge of working with digital images can use the program to its full potential. The program has a number of features that aren’t present in any competing software titles, such as anti-aliasing not only for 32-bit images, but 24-bit (true color) and 256-color ones too. The other significant advantage is a built-in option to load image list and work with each icon individually, saving altered icon(s) back into a single (original) file (bmp, gif, png).

System Requirements:

Windows 95/98/NT/2000/XP

Publisher:

Lokas Software

Homepage:

http://www.awicons.com/iconeditor/

File Size:

9.59 MB

Price:

$39.95

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#124

#114 - I meant that Windows 7 is a Beta, not AWicoms. Sorry for the confusion.

Reply   |   Comment by Vaxbert  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#123

I downloaded and registered this within the allotted time frame and everything seemed to go through smoothly but i seem to have the 15 day shareware version and every time i open the program im confronted with a banner asking me to "try the pro version" and i thought this was the pro version as advertised.
The program looks like it might be a handy & useful proggy to have in your set-up but i wunt know because ive got the 15 day limited shareware version that will run out in 2 weeks so its a big thumbs down from me.

Reply   |   Comment by Zdeve  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#122

#5, 35, 36 because we like!

Reply   |   Comment by evolution  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#121

Like many here have said, This is excellent software. Works perfectly on Vista Home Basic. Not sure what's up with the comments about it being tricky to register, if you've ever bought software before then you should already know how. To all those asking why they should need this product, stop and think about what you are asking. If you don't know why you would need this than why would anyone else.
Have to say a big thank you to Lokas Software for providing the Pro version instead of the Standard.
Normally software such as this type usually gets a lot of negative comments, but todays comments prove that if you provide quality software people appreciate it. I will definitely be recommending this software to others (I'm a Graphic Designer).
Thanks GAOTD and Lokas Software, this is why I check this site out everyday! Is there any chance that I'll see 3D maker here?

Reply   |   Comment by rrodken  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)
#120

#50, I had the same problem registering; tried even cut n' paste and typing in info from Readme and the other supplied number; so, I just kept clicking the entry, knowing I was right, and it registered.

Reply   |   Comment by eli  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#119

I share #111 opinion.

I had used old version few years ago and it was great until I found IcoFX. Today I've installed this one and had to delete it almost right away because of:

1. no possibility to maximize working area;
2. too many small freaking windows (if I want it I can always download GIMP instead);
3. no possibility to switch off "skins" (whole app looks like little kid's drawing);

Sorry, even if an application offers great functionality, this interface is killing me. Not matter how good your car is, if it's pink (with yellow dots) I will not drive it!

Reply   |   Comment by sfensony  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#118

A keeper for me.
I was looking for a good icon editor to create icons for my programs, now I found one on GAOTD.
A big thumbs up.

Reply   |   Comment by DDS  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#117

Hi Struan7 #97 Thanks for the tutorial site..I missed them totally. That's a big help for those of us that need some help. Love this program even tho I'm not an advanced user...yet.
Re: registration: put the curser in front of the < symbol & paste in the info then just delete the symbols and words(username & key) & enter. It may take getting into & out of the page several times but keep trying. It does work.
Downloaded & installed easily on Vista home premium 32bit. Now with the tutorials I should be making icons I actually want to keep in no time!

Reply   |   Comment by Sunnrose130  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)
#116

This ones a "keeper". I've used many different icon creating apps and this one is certainly easy and has lots of options. Great going!

Reply   |   Comment by jenealogy  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#115

When I downloaded the program, it came as a .exe file so there is no zip file to unzip which means there is no .txt file to open. This means that I can't register the program. To bad as I like the program.

Reply   |   Comment by Mary Wilson  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#114

Scotsman, gotta disagree with you a little. I've installed more than one GOTD under Vista which didn't require running as administrator to install or run. As you know, the installation or the software itself only fails if it tries to write to areas with higher than standard user permissions. But it doesn't have to be that way. Developer's can write routines which run perfectly fine under Vista, but many simply don't want to do consider doing a partial rewrite on code that's already working well. Understandable.

I realize that some would say there's no good reason to limit a software's privileges. After all, all the other OSs were basically run as Administrator. But, I'm cautious by nature, so I'd advise people to try everything normally first, and then try "run as administrator" if that doesn't work. And we should tell folks that any software icon that shows the little Windows security shield will trip your User Account Control so it will "run as administrator", anyway.

You're obviously smarter than I am, but I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one. :)

Reply   |   Comment by watcher13  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#113

Shrik. Yes, all GOTDs are home use only. Still, what you mean is you can't use the software for business for free. We've discussed this over in the forums. The limitations of GOTDs one-size-fits-all license means that, in the rare cases a software with ABSOLUTELY no home use is offered, you don't really ethically get anything for free. You just get an unrestricted demo. Still, if you're making good money, you could spring a few bucks for it.

April, my bad. I thought Hobo wrote version, not environ. Still, I don't understand Hobo's problem. All GOTDs are for home use. No exceptions. Hobo insinuates that this software is different from other recent GOTDs. It isn't. If Hobo had no non-commerical use for it in the first place, then why download it? The truth is not that the license is different today, just that Hobo didn't understand the limitation I mentioned above until today. Besides today's software does have home use, at least for some.

And a TOS is not a license, only part of a license. It's common place for smaller developer's to misuse the term "business" license, when they mean "bulk" license. Look on the developer's website and you'll see that under this logic, a business which only needs one license would have to buy two, so they could get the "business" license, not just the "business" discount. Don't you think that's an unattractive option for a developer to offer a business? And where is the link to download the version that includes the "business" TOS? There's only one link. And can a home user legally purchase more than one single license - at a unattractively higher price - under the same name? The truth is, TOSs are about protecting the developer against legal indemnity over any loss which may be perceived to be caused by the software. A smart developer uses the same full TOS for both home and business. When developers refer to a business license, they mean as part of a business contract. In American law, this discrimination between for profit and not for profit use simply allows a developer to charge less - or nothing at all - for the same software if it isn't used for profit. A developer might include third party indemnity language in a "business" TOS, but, again, a smart developer only writes one TOS to cover all uses. If they don't, they're sticking their head in the lion's mouth. After all, I learned a long time ago that all profit making enterprises in America exist only to keep lawyers in luxury.

Reply   |   Comment by watcher13  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#112

#108- who said it's a beta test??? This sure seems to be a product that's tested & released & on the market. Most aps on GOTD here are NOT beta tests.
Sorry for several posts.

Reply   |   Comment by Skye-hook  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#111

What I mean above about covers for things- you can make them yourself easily with this. I didn't realize they also have a covers maker in the Vista version. But this version works great for it anyway. :)
This version runs great on both XP & Vista!

Reply   |   Comment by Skye-hook  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#110

Clear the writing in the box before you paste the name and code. I bet people are pasting in front of the word name & code. I like the giveaway today. Nice software. installed great and took the code after I removed name & code in the boxes. And it works on my vista too. Thanks Giveaway of the day.

Reply   |   Comment by Florida Boy  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-1)
#109

Win XP pro SP2 installation & registration was smooth. Not clear about the license though. Their website says : With Home license, you can use the program for non-commercial purposes in non-business, non commercial environment. That is, you only intend to use it at home for private use. To use the program in a business, academic, or government environment, you should purchase a Business license

I guess the one featured here on GOTD is a home license - and as many users stated here, there is very little use of this software for a home user but as a professional who works on web site designs, this one is a keeper for me - but then again, I won't be able to use it since it's not a business license.

Another thing (although a minor one) is that it won't go full screen and I personally like to work on applicatiions which fill the screen - but it's my personal taste. Like the features and capabilities of the software.

Reply   |   Comment by Shrik  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-3)
#108

Installs and registers ok on Windows 7.
I think it is a pity that this application does not support layers (with transparancy) as this feature would surely place it at the top of the pile, other than that it does a nice job of creating icons and cursors quicker than i can in Photoshop.

Reply   |   Comment by TopOfTheShop  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+4)
#107

Pretty cool little app. I have made a half dozen usable icons already .

When you register, make sure you put giveawayoftheday in the name box, and copy and paste the code given into the code box.

Reply   |   Comment by John Brusseau  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+2)
#106

Installed on home-brew XP SP3 and refurbed HP VL420-SFF Win 7 Beta. Seems to work just fine.

A bit cluttered with all the toolboxes open nut I can get used to it.

My "2-cents" why -

For Win 7 - just to see if I can break it. It IS a beta test after all.

For my main PC - Some of us use our home computer to support small, worthwhile non-profits such as scout troops, quilting clubs, a garden club, or, in my case, a motorcycle club. These are all-volunteer groups that make our lives and communities better and don't have the where-with-all to buy infrastucture like computers or software. So, if testing software means I can support my favorite charity, I'm all for it.

Reply   |   Comment by Vaxbert  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-4)
#105

Downloaded and installed, says it's a 15 day trial version. Can not find a way to install key. little help please.
thanks
mike

Reply   |   Comment by michael  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-10)
#104

After some minor self-thought I went ahead and downloaded this offering. 75% thumbs-up was very convincing! Installation, registration and use on my Vista Home Premium 32-bit system was once again without problems. I consider myself somewhere between average and advanced in my computer knowledge, but found this application to be very simple to use. Anyone that has used a "paint" or "draw" software should have zero difficulty using this app. Hence, my thumb is up also!

At the risk of sounding redundant...I will once again state that Vista users should ALWAYS install software under "administrator" mode. This OS doesn't like the idea of just anyone loading software, as evidenced by the many "allow" requirements.

Method:
1) Unzip the download folder(if necessary).
2) Drag the setup icon to a place outside the extraction window (desktop works good for this).
3) Right-click the setup icon.
4) Click "run as administrator".
5) Install as usual from this point.
As for registration problems...If you fail to get a proper registration the first time don't simply reenter your codes into the same "failed" window. Start with a fresh registration window and reenter the codes again.

Failed installs and registrations are most often due to user error, not the fault of some mysterious gremlin or incompatability.

Reply   |   Comment by Scotsman  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-4)
#103

A BIG thank you...was looking for this type app this very day...the Big is for all the other times I didn't say it, but should have. :>

Reply   |   Comment by jsc  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-3)
#102

WRT to John and XP64:

Try temporarely disabling your anti-virus/firewall. I had the same problem with windows update and Kaspersky and got similar crypic errors regarding my system clock.

I have not tried to install AWicons on my XP64 box yet since it's at home and I'm at work.

Reply   |   Comment by ackNnak  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-3)
#101

Need to click help near top and click about. Then click registration and input the information. Thank No. 6 for posting this--I had trouble myself registering. Overall, pretty cool software and very useful in certain circumstances. I'm keeping this one, thanks GAOTD.

Reply   |   Comment by Shifulk  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-1)
#100

#6 thank you, it would be nice if they mentioned how to register.

Reply   |   Comment by kiddk1  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-7)
#99

Installs smoothly.
Works fine on Windows 7 Build 7000

Reply   |   Comment by Ryan  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-4)
#98

First of all, absolutely NO problems installing, activating, and registering this program under XP Pro (SP3).

For those of you STILL having problems registering:

1) Open the README.TXT file from the ZIPfile and keep it open.
2) Start AWIconsPro.
3) Click Help, About...
4) In the dialog which appears, you will see FOUR options down the right-hand side. Click Registration (NOT Online Registration!)
5) From your README.TXT file, copy and paste into the dialog as follows:
a) Paste the Name into the area of the dialog.
b) Paste the Code into the area of the dialog.
6) Click the blue TICK at the right of the dialog.
7) You will see a 'registration successful' message.
8) That's it! (Yes, you can close README.TXT now. Its job is done. ;))

Note that registration, according to the licence agreement, gives you free updates forever.

The program itself seems very well thought out and you can create custom cursors as well as icons. I've had a quick play with it and everything seems to work as described. There are tutorials available at the Lokas site: http://www.awicons.com/iconeditor/ if you get stuck, or just want some hand-holding to find your way around everything this splendid little program can do.

To those of you who ask 'why would a home user want this?' there are several answers:

1) To create custom icons for the programs on your desktop, either to create something more attractive or more meaningful to you than the icon a program itself uses. (Right-click the desktop shortcut, then click Properties, Shortcut tab, Change Icon... button; then select your custom icon file.)

2) Several programs allow you to use your own icons for various things. For example, mAirList (a radio playout program) allows you to use your own icons for music, ads., etc.; as well as custom buttons for the audio players.

3) As mentioned earlier, to create cursors (even animated ones!) of your own choice. Could be very useful to anyone with any kind of visual impairment, including colour blindness.

4) As mentioned by others here, you can create little buttons or animated graphics for your personal web site (but not, obviously [?] for any commercial site: that would violate your GAOTD licence).

No doubt there are many more possibilities. And as several other have said (and I agree 100%), if it's not of interest to you, just move along, nothing to see here... ;)

Many thanks to GAOTD for this excellent little giveaway! There have been a few 'clunkers' on GAOTD lately IMHO, but that certainly does NOT apply to this application!

Reply   |   Comment by Cad Delworth  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+5)
#97

wow well this is the first program i felt worthy of download in a long time! woot! :)

Reply   |   Comment by ananomius person  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-1)
#96

Thanks to all for the registration comments. That was the only hang up I was having with this program and I LOVE the program. I used to have more play time, but maybe I'll just have to make more, with this program on my computer. VERY nice and I'm a former Microangelo user, so I have a bit of experience behind that. Thanks GOTD - and thanks to everyone for the assist on registration!

Donna

Reply   |   Comment by Donna  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#95

Hi #91 (Diane) reg: tutorials

Go to the Awicons web page - up at the top of the page -tutorials are there for you to browse through - or download.
exp: http://www.awicons.com/iconeditor/tutorials/8-gradients/

Reply   |   Comment by struan7  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#94

Very impressive so far. Seems to have a lot of great features and may be extremely useful. I haven't given it an extensive run for the money though, so I can't offer too much yet in terms of performance. I did note that drawing with the pen tool seemed a little erratic, but no idea why just yet. There may be a reason for that which isn't currently clear. But I had no problem with drawing any shapes. Or switching between them.

It did install absolutely without a hitch, and runs fine on XP Pro SP3. Very professional appearance so far and again, seems to have many valuable features. At first take, this appears to be a keeper. Many thanks to the folks at GAOTD!

I will add though that my own favorite alternatives in this realm (to date), which are Freeware (or Donationware), are IcoFX and AniFX, also very professional in appearance and capability, the likes I've not seem elsewhere, to be found at http://icofx.ro/ and http://icofx.ro/anifx/ respectively.
These two are very hard to beat. And the price is right also. Just whatever we feel they are worth to us. I do hope Donationware catches on. Innovative programmers need to realize a return on their extensive efforts.

-JC

Reply   |   Comment by Justin Case  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-1)
#93

Thanks!!!! I love it!

Reply   |   Comment by Donna  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-4)
#92

Thank you GOTD for keeping things well-rounded. I personally have no great need for this offering, but I do have a short comment about it. I usually stop by each day to at least check things out. I noticed a few comments today like: "why would the average home user want this?" Well excuse me but...where do you think icons come from silly...The Icon Fairy? Certainly not from "average home users"!!! There are actually people out there that manufacture all the cool little bells and whistles on your PC. What do you want another audio/video converter to add to the six you already have? Thank you again GOTD for some variety. And all you icon artists...get with it! And thank you for all the cool "free" icons you all put out there...

Reply   |   Comment by Scotsman  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-6)
#91

Downloaded and registered just fine on Vista 32-bit.
#s 5, 35, 36- To make graphic icons. Those of us who make icons do have lives (at least I do).
#41, 44- my thoughts exactly
#46, 53- glad I'm not the only one with a life who likes this program lol
#63 hahaha

Reply   |   Comment by Helen  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-6)
#90

.. so what's so special about this app. It's just another graphic editor... nothing special.

Reply   |   Comment by Marcus  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-17)
#89

#77 (and others ahead of me) I had the same problem with registration being told the info didn't match or something like that.
I got out of the program waited awhile & then went in again & hand typed the giveawayoftheday, but copy & pasted the key...IT TOOK!
Just keep trying & maybe that will happen for you.

I have been wanting to try making my own icons for awhile & judging from other comments this is a good program to use. Can't wait to get in there & really do a serious one. Just played a little right now. Seems to be easy to use. Someone mentioned a tutorial? Where is it? I didn't see it.
Will recommend this one.

THANKS GAOTD for a great program today and thanks also to those ahead of me in the comments for the help figuring out the registration.

Reply   |   Comment by Diane  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-2)
#88

Revising post #85

Redownloaded and install went perfect this time. I think I may have arrowed through it too quickly on attempt 1.

Ariana

Reply   |   Comment by Ariana  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-5)
#87

As a long time visitor, seldom commenter, I'll admit, applications that don't clearly state Vista in system requirements are the ones I generally steer clear of. But, having confirmed the comments of some others by checking this publishers homepage myself, I decided to give it a try.
It downloaded, installed & activated without a hitch & runs without the need of "run as administrator" on my Visa Ultimate (32 bit) system. I've been using v9 on my XP system for quite sometime & find it really handy. The save as .ico file is nifty. I needed to enlarge some Vista orb icons & save those to be pasted into a few Vista wallpapers I'm working on. I was able to do so with no problems.
I find this offer to be useful to both home users like me as well as those developing a website. This ones a keeper in my book. Thanks GOTD & "Lokas Software". This offer is a breath of fresh air after the past several days of ones I had no interest in whatsoever. This is a perfect example of why I drop by GOTD every day. You never know when their will be an offer that suits your needs & preferences.

Reply   |   Comment by The Sports Fan  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (0)
#86

I would like to expand on #66's comment in general...
I do graphics and often have .obj files, .vob files, .pz3 files, and other assorted files with no accompanying pic to give me any hint of what that item is! Yes I cannot recall everything perfectly, so this is a great way to put a pic to a files, but save space and be compact. I do not believe that my uses would violate the "home use" stipulation. (*I also do not believe my Irish-Catholic background prohibits it either...).

I am encountering an issue registering this tho... XP Pro, 32 bit. Says it is not a valid download. Assistance, or thoughts?

Ariana

Reply   |   Comment by Ariana  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-5)
#85

@46

Well said.. couldn't have said it better.

Reply   |   Comment by Alien_Bay  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-9)
#84

I'm trying to register the software but I don't see the user key I'm suppose to use, does anyone have it?

Reply   |   Comment by Lisa  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-11)
#83

#74 Go to My Computer
C:\Program Files\AWicons Pro\3d artistic icons\ico for a whole load of icons!

Reply   |   Comment by Praveen  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+1)
#82

Installed without a hitch per "read me" instructions on Windows XP Pro. Registered through "help," "about," "registration." I've never used a program like this before, but it was fairly easy to understand and start creating icons and cursors. I'm going to use this on my blog. Thanks!

Reply   |   Comment by Grace  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-2)
#81

#45: You might want to re-read what you wrote here. Perhaps you will see what your psychiatrist sees -- and the rest of us. In this day and age, weirdness may be common, but Yikes, Dude! Your Judeo-Christian background is irrelevant to your mental state.

Happy Dae.

Reply   |   Comment by Dae Powell  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-15)
#80

#71-Look for the window with the square blue screen, this is where the "help" you need click. Not in the program help. It opens right away after you "run" the program. This is very poorly done for us non techies. Let me know if you get it to work.

Reply   |   Comment by peardrop  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-6)
#79

Installed and registered just fine on Vista Home Premium when I clicked on Help/Register and pasted the code from the readme file.

Reply   |   Comment by Evie  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-6)
#78

This program does work in vista, I've used it in XP sp1-sp3 and Vista with sp1 and with out. For all of those people asking what would the average user ese it for, you use it to make your own icons of course. You can also make your own cursors. I use it regularly to turn pngs, gifs, jpgs and bmps info icons. I've also used it to make/edit cursors. It has a lot of features that I've not found in other programs. Some great features: Custom rotateusong a scroll bar, you don't have to enter in arbitrary values and test them out. It will also create all formats for you (that one was partially at my request to the authors of the software, they are great that way!)It can also do some limited 3d effects, as well as glass effects. I can't say enough about this program, I live it. And NO, I do not work for lokas software, I'm just a fan.

Reply   |   Comment by Wil  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+4)
#77

Easy Vista Home Prem install. Easy register. Nice Program.

I never have understood why all the Vista people have problems. I love the Vista on all 4 of my machines, and I never have problems.

Just because "Vista" is not included in the requirements, and even if it says it WILL NOT RUN on Vista. Most of the time it will anyway. Or it does for me anyway. You can run your programs in other modes than Vista, with Vista. I have a couple OLD programs running in Win2000 mode and they work fine. They would not run in normal Vista mode.

Thanks GAOTD.....

Reply   |   Comment by Bubba_in_NV  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (-5)
#76

I have been using AWicons pro since 2003. It is my favorite. Of course I paid for it back then but it was well worth it. Version 10 is even better.

Reply   |   Comment by Wil  –  15 years ago  –  Did you find this comment useful? yes | no (+4)
#75

Registration code doesn't work and the online registration page will not load today, as-well-as, hours ago when this was first released.

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