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Started 17 years ago by triphammer
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triphammer
Member

I'm posting this in the "OFF TOPIC" section for the benefit of not being deleted for being off topic :D

Why is my stuff being deleted? I had a post up last night in the "report a bad file" topic (and it was on topic I might add), now it's gone. In fact 2-sheds and bubby (another moderator here I might also add) both replied this morning since. The discussion was on topic with what was being discussed there.

What is your problem Lee? Or should I say King Lee? This is supposed to be discussion here right? The topic is obsolete from day to day anyway ("Report a bad file here"... What, you mean all of them?. You're going to talk about all the software people have problems with in this one topic from day to day? Makes no sense. How will people find the information they're looking for without going through every post and sorting through the programs they don't have a problem with to find the one program they had a problem with. Think ahead dude. Besides you don't give information back fast enough. It's a good thing I was waiting for an answer. If I was... I might have been posting for help...O_o Help in the form of "before the giveaway is up" kinda help.. ;) People go to the comment section for that.

My comment in the comment section got deleted the other day for the hard drive inspector 2.2 as well. All I did was mention that my anti-spyware gave me an alert. Others left comments talking about spyware. I've given no personal insults to anybody here or in the comment section yet my posts are being deleted. Don't you believe in other people having opinions?

That's just BS for deleting my posts. I said nothing wrong, and I even followed those bogus rules you got going in another thread. Seeing as you'll prolly delete this one too, I've PM'd this one to the admin. Bubby makes a good moderator because he at least helps and moderates. Lee... you have a few things to learn about moderating... moderation usually means something a little less extreme than your dictatorship here.

Posted 17 years ago #
Michelle
Member

Lee is a nice moderator. Who do you think recommended Bubby? Lee did.

Posted 17 years ago #
triphammer
Member

I know he did. I follow the forum.

What's that got to do with Lee's way of moderation? I said nothing to be moderated for. He's just decided that things in the forum are going to be his way whether they make sense or not.

Posted 17 years ago #
Michelle
Member

No, he didn't. Lee has been really nice to me, I have no idea what you are talking about. You are not the first person to have a comment deleted and guess what you won't be the last and you don't even know that Lee was the one who deleted your comment.

Is that your comment

Today's giveaway "Hard Drive Inspector 2.2" is showing as a keylogger from my SpySweeper program from Webroot. And before anybody asks.. Yes... SpySweeper is updated and is the latest version.

As soon as I run the setup file, Spysweeper quarantines what it says is a keylogger.

It is still there and hasn't been deleted.

Posted 17 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

The sticky which had posts deleted was to do with spyware.

I don't remember adding the word 'sheds' in it, so why did you start talking about sheds!

I read BuBBy's comments which he indicated that it was off topic.

So if you wish to make a complaint then you can find a complaints form here:

http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/about/contact/

Slava is who you need to contact or you can find a post by 'key master' and make a complaint to him/her also using his/her pm link.

I don't care if you slag me off, however you should pm me first.

Making your own thread and slagging me off is lame.

As being there for your every post, I can't if I am working or asleep.

I usually browse on and off 13 hours a day, I sleep from 9 p.m till 4 a.m, so do I not sleep, or would that be not worthy of me?

I will be sitting down with my fiance and our two children at 7 p.m for our tea, is that all right, or should I wait?

Posted 17 years ago #
Wolven
Member

Two kids and a fiance? Well you waited to get married,..I reckon you could wait for a cup of tea..lol!, haahaa! Now go crack a bottle of champers, get down on one knee, and ask that poor woman to forgive you.

I knew Michelle would be in here - The topic begins with 'FREE'.

Posted 17 years ago #
Michelle
Member

LOL, I was only in here because the person who made the complaint doesn't even know it was Lee who deleted his comment. For a person that follows this forum, he should also know that Lee made a comment that there are moderators/admins that we don't know about because they never posted.

Posted 17 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

There are admins that don't post anything, I would post their user id's but I am a coward, so won't.

I can only see their user names as I have admin rights upto deleting posts, no banning, blocking etc.

There is also a bozo list and a blocked list 1 person has been blocked, there are plenty on the bozo's list.

bozo list is very long, blocked list has 1 user 'gotdhater' the name says it all.

Wolven if we could afford to get married we would.

For our tea, my fiance and our children are having pasta with some form of mince meat with tomato sauce and vegetables, I am having rice (boiled) a quorn korma grill and curried vegetables (I am a vegetarian been one 20 years).

I am a tetotaler so no booze for me.

I would invite you for tea, however this is my first meal today and I am hungry and I am going to eat it all myself. HA HA

Posted 17 years ago #
Wolven
Member

Is that why I have a big red nose, face paint and huge floppy shoes? I'm on the 'Bozo the Clown' list, aren't I? Never mind,...now it's my turn to get down on one knee, and ask the circus to forgive me.

Ahhh yeh Trippy - It's a lot safer to know who the real target is, and their reasoning, before you start firing arrows.

So which one of you suckers deleted my "Ich bin ein schnitzel auf beinen" from the German forum?...Grrrrrr, danke nicht lol!

A vegan teetotaller? What,..are you still doing penance for kicking the neighbor's cat 20 years ago!!!...Thanks for the invite. I'll accept when your dining room goes B.Y.O.
...Although, that pasta dish does sound very munchable!

Posted 17 years ago #
triphammer
Member

Insulting another member and making out they are a drug user.

Edited.

Posted 17 years ago #
Michelle
Member

You don't know that Trip. Little kids throw tantrums and that is what you are doing. So what your post was deleted?

You don't know too many moderators do you? What some moderators do is just delete the whole thread and you are complaining over a couple of posts.

"If there's a personal insult"

I think this topic should be deleted, I didn't like the comment you made about valium.

Edit: It's obvious you are here to start problems Trip and that you are a troll.

Posted 17 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

So not being able to speak about ones 'tea' is or is not 'free speech'?

Master triphammer, if you think you can do a better job then become a moderator.

When I was a on my Dinosaur, I parked it up, slide into an internet cafe and posted a thread about why one thing was better than the other, no swear words or PC liberal stuff, just hard facts.

I got banned. (The chick thought that her team was better than mine).

Ha Ha.

What I wrote was far less aggressive than what you wrote, you should thank your lucky stars I have not put you across my knees and spanked your backside.

I am not a liberal, however I have let you have your say, so from now on 'bobby' no more using profanity and no more being the victim.

You like sheds, then visit diy.com

Posted 17 years ago #
Hadeda
Member

Trust me, Lee is a good admin. You should see some admins on other boards. Some perform direct attacks against some members involving cussing

Posted 17 years ago #
Wolven
Member

Bahhh, I just had to chase a crocodile out of the back yard before it got to the dogs. Crikey, he was a bewdy - I always miss the interesting stuff...So who's been cussin', and who's on valium?

Posted 17 years ago #
BillW50
Member

If it makes you feel any better triphammer, I have been attacked here quite often in the GAOTD comment section. Although it doesn't bother me one bit. As I know they are not being honest. I also trust what goes around comes around. And I don't have to do anything about it. As the Universe itself just makes it happen. :)

Posted 17 years ago #
Michelle
Member

That wasn't meant to be an insult. If I wanted to throw an insult believe me I could throw an insult way better than the insult you threw at me. If Lee wants to edit my troll comment he is free to do do if he feels it was insulting.

I meant a troll as in someone looking to create problems on a forum. You don't hear anybody else and all the people that tell you that Lee might not have deleted your comment and all the people that tell you they think Lee is doing a good job moderating. You have your own agenda here and you are only listening to yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Posted 17 years ago #
LadyGodiva
Member

This could be so easily solved. Is there not a provision to move posts to more appropriate areas rather than deleting? I believe people would be far less upset by having posts moved rather than deleted, or even worse not deleted but simply erased and then replaced by a nasty note that is left with the original poster's user name intact as if it were he or she who wrote the nasty note. That last practice is rather childish. Honestly, such erasures with replaced text should have a :P emoticon after them and perhaps a "neener, neener, nyah, nyah!!".

@Triphammer. I didn't see your posts in the "Bad File" thread but it sounds like they may have been more appropriately placed in "Suggestions on Our Forums ..." perhaps with a reference or link to the Bad File thread? There is still a post in that thread by 2 Sheds that also seems more appropriate for suggestions, again with a reference or link to the post it discusses. It is an excellent post and well thought out, as I am sure yours were. It would be a shame to have such posts removed out right.

Again, is there no provision for moving posts? That is the way most forums handle such matters.

@Hadeda. Lee is not an administrator but a site visitor like yourself who has been given forum moderating ability. The actual site administrators are Slava, Victor and Alex.

Posted 17 years ago #
Michelle
Member

"This could be so easily solved. Is there not a provision to move posts to more appropriate areas rather than deleting? I believe people would be far less upset by having posts moved rather than deleted, or even worse not deleted but simply erased and then replaced by a nasty note that is left with the original poster's user name intact as if it were he or she who wrote the nasty note. That last practice is rather childish."

But Trip did write the nasty note.

Posted 17 years ago #
LadyGodiva
Member

@Michelle. I am inquiring regarding moving posts as opposed to the way posts have been deleted straight away or had their text replaced. This is how such matters are handled on most forums, the post is left intact with the exception of having "MOVED:" added to the subject line.

Michelle, do you know if moving posts in such a manner is possible?

Posted 17 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

Well Master triphammer, you are being insulting again to Michelle.

You called her a valium user and you are turning this thread into a bitchin contest.

I have already given you links to make a complaint about me, now go make a complaint.

I am not seeing this forum become a slanging match, children do not behave that way it's adults that do it.

We are supposed to be adults, now I already told you triphammer you have a problem with me then pm me or make a complaint to the owners.

[Closed]

Posted 17 years ago #
BuBBy
Teh adnim

[ReOpened for explanation]

I did make the comment to TwoSheds to stop talking about his sheds and start talking about his music.

Subsequently his posts were deleted because it was believed I was saying he was off topic. If I felt his infraction was that serious - I would've removed the posts myself.

My comment was actually referring to the original Arthur "TwoSheds" Jackson sketch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLjS3gzHetA

Obviously this sketch is not as well known as I had thought. Since then things have obviously deteriorated.

In future I will tag these humorous comments with *JOKE JOYCE* so they can be read with tongue planted firmly in cheek.

Now on the comments I have been seeing about "untimely solutions" (Not being able to solve a problem until the giveaway period is over) I wish to bring to everyones attention, that us moderators are volunteer users like yourselves. We do not have any hotline to the giveaway software developers. We are not privy to any inside GOTD information or support.

When trying to help you - we are doing so in our own free time - using our own resources (including time) and the same tools and software available to everyone else here.

I will always try my best to help someone out, but if I cannot, there is not a lot I can do. If I cannot get the software to crash like you, or the error is not reproducible, short of turning up at your front door and sitting down at your PC my options are fairly limited.

What I can do is make suggestions and troubleshoot - hopefully ruling out the obvious (to me) things that you may have overlooked. Like everyone else I have other obligations I (try to) meet. I am involved with other online communities and I split what free time I do have between them.

I enjoy getting to know the different users at GOTD and I accept that there are various personalities from different backgrounds - everyone with different levels of experience. My background is software development and providing tech support to users of from novice to expert. I believe if I can be tolerant and accepting of others differences - so should everyone else.

I will not edit or play games with users I believe are being intolerant, rude (or worse) - your post will be deleted (and left for the other admins and other moderators to review). If they disagree - they can restore the post - that is their call.

Think before you hit the "Send Post" button. Make sure if you are joking with someone - that your humor isn't likely to be interpreted by the recipient or another reader as nasty. Remember not everyone will share your sense of humor.

Above all - we are all in this "software mess" together - let's help each other out.

There are a lot of people here who know that they still have a lot to learn. If you're not one of them, perhaps you should be a moderator. *JOKE JOYCE*

Posted 17 years ago #
2-SHEDS
Member

Well it seems alot has happened since I've been gone. Closing the "Free speech" topic, now that's funny.

I had a post or two deleted as well in the spyware topic. Bubby is right with his references to humor. I guess everyone's got a different sense of humor.

This actually started with Trip's ONE sentence that said, "Is that because you have two sheds?" (now deleted). This phrase trip mentioned is the first sentence in the "Arthur 2-sheds Jackson" sketch from Monty Python (and I assumed that's where Trip was headed). I continued with a couple sentences (now deleted) from the sketch and Bubby continued with his reference as well. Bubby's got left up though (prolly because he's a moderator).

My guess is that Lee didn't get the Monty Python reference and decided we were all off topic. Which is all fine and dandy, except there was a discussion going on within those posts that was also deleted. Everything gets deleted for a couple sentences. That doesn't make much sense. Moderating does come in other forms besides deleting everything as LadyGodiva suggested. Editing posts with a little note that says "edited for personal insult", "No vulgar language" or even a post by the moderator or admin saying "stay on topic". But you don't delete the whole thing. Some people put thoughts and time into their posts (I know I do). People don't like to see their posts gone because the moderator didn't understand the references or didn't agree with the topic.

My personal thoughts are that we were just passing a few humorous comments back and forth during the discussion. I've seen everyone here in the forum joking around with each other while posting in other topics, and none of their stuff gets deleted and called "off topic". It's part of being a community and conversing with each other (I thought). I'm assuming that EVERYTHING being deleted is why Trip got all bent out of shape. And if we want to talk OFF TOPIC, Lee's additional comment above:

"For our tea, my fiance and our children are having pasta with some form of mince meat with tomato sauce and vegetables, I am having rice (boiled) a quorn korma grill and curried vegetables (I am a vegetarian been one 20 years)."

...has nothing to do with Free Speech. Even if you wanted to use the arguement that he was responding to the post before him. That's what Trip was doing in the Spyware thread. He was responding to me. And everyone after my post as a matter of fact. I believe that's a discussion. And to top it all off, some if not MOST of my post was "off the topic" as well. It's actually a discussion questioning why we have that thread to begin with.

I hate to speak for Triphammer, but he didn't make like Michelle was a drug user as indicated in his edited post above. However; he DID make a comment that Michelle "should get back on the valium" (a bit rough maybe, he could have just said "calm down Michelle").

I believe he was just trying to make a comment for Michelle to calm down, She came to the defense of Lee (which she always seems to do), and she really didn't know what Trip was talking about; because the posts were already deleted. NTM the fact, she only posted to rip into Trip and defend Lee. I believe the moderators can defend themselves Michelle. That's part of being a moderator.

Now, I was part of the discussion back and forth that day, and I've seen everything that's now deleted (here in this topic and in the other topic). My posts and posts from others were deleted. It doesn't seem fair to leave up Michelle's comments calling Trip a troll (Name calling is an insult any way you look at it). Maybe Michelle doesn't think it was insulting, but maybe Trip doesn't think he was insulting to her either. Posting a link to WikiPedia's definition of "internet troll" doesn't make it any less of an insult. Just like if trip posted WikiPedia's entry for valium to make note of it's calming effects. Then Michelle goes on to say she could really insult if she wanted to. That goes without saying I guess. I'm sure most people could post some insults that are real doozies. But that doesn't make name calling OK on any level.

It certainly doesn't make any sense to leave up Michelle's posts ripping into Trip yet Trip's whole post gets deleted for his supposed one line "insult" (and that's all it was, that one line). Moderation doesn't seem to come equally here at the GOTD forum. It's starting to look like if you're not in tight with Lee, you're subject to EXTRA moderation. I'm not making that accusation mind you... (for fear of being deleted) but it certainly looks that way.

Besides, I've read triphammer's past posts, and I think he's FAR from a troll, and I highly doubt he came here to start trouble. Just read his past posts. He seems like he's here to help when he can. At least that's what I gather from his past posts before he got upset.

Now, Bubby's discussion regarding help from the moderators. Personally I like any kind of help when I can get it. I understand the moderators are just volunteers. I also understand they can't be on moderating the forum 24/7 solving problems for everybody. But I did notice that both Bubby and Lee have posted in the comment section telling others to come to the forum with alegations of spyware. TripHammer did. Don't ask ppl to come to the forum, if you're not going to give them the info they need in time. Somebody posting in the comments section may have an answer to somebody's concern there. TripHammer mentioned in his post (now deleted) that he originally posted in the comment section but that was deleted there. So he came and posted in the forum figuring someone deleted his comment because it belonged here in the forum. Now I can't speak as to who deletes in the comment section, but if that was the case, why ask people to come here with their problem if you can't get help right away or even guarantee a problem would get solved by giveaway end?

I think Bubby had a good answer to the problem in the spyware thread. It was helpful. He usually is. I'm not here to take down the moderators. I just think a little more thought into TOTAL deletion of posts could be considered. I liked LadyGodiva's ideas. Why not move the controversial stuff to a part of the forum admins can see but not members. Or even a note in the thread by the moderator would work, rather than deleting everything.

Wow, nuff said. I can type when I get going, WHEW!

Arthur "2-sheds" Jackson *JOKE JOYCE* :)

Posted 17 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

The topic of the forum I removed two posts from and closed was reopened, which I should have been asked if it should be reopened and come to a fair argument, which it didn't happen.

The thread started to talk about sheds, which if you wish to discuss sheds, then make a thread in off topic and talk about them.

Now this thread was started, titled 'free speech'.

You have criticized my menu taste pointing out I said this so so-n-so should be able to say that.

Now when allegations are made they do one of two things, they insult or as a saying in my country goes, 'it's water off a Ducks back'.

Now your mate (buddy pal etc) made allegations against Michelle, which she found insulting.

Now I am not a dictator, however I like order, I like the green marbles to go into the green pot, the yellow ones into the yellow pot and the sky-blue-pink ones to go into the sky-blue-pink pot.

So I am a volunteer, I also am on holiday, so I cannot go and read everyones posts in 5 minutes.

This thread, started to turn into a bitching contest thats probably IMMS I closed it and it was reopened, without being asked my reasoning in the first place which is not polite.

I personally would not reopen a topic closed by another moderator without having a discussion first, hey some people are like that.

If you think the part I play at this website is wrong and I should be demoted to a 'member' then I will leave it upto you to make a complaint, as thats your freedom of choice.

I will say however, some people expect a little too much, rather than biting their lip every-now-and-again.

Posted 17 years ago #
2-SHEDS
Member

LEE WROTE:
"If you think the part I play at this website is wrong and I should be demoted to a 'member' then I will leave it upto you to make a complaint, as thats your freedom of choice."

I don't believe anybody is calling for your removal Lee. We need moderators here. There have CLEARLY been problems in the past where you and Bubby were needed. I just don't think this was one of those problems. Moderate in moderation is all I'm suggesting.

Posted 17 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

Now you're telling me how to moderate?

Posted 17 years ago #
whitmar57
Member

LEE WROTE:

"If you think the part I play at this website is wrong and I should be demoted to a 'member' then I will leave it up to you to make a complaint, as thats your freedom of choice."

I don't think being a "member" is in any way a "step down", as I'm sure you don't see the rest of us members as "less than", right Lee?

And for the record I empathize with all the moderators across the whole online world! I'm sure being a moderator is, more often than not, a thankless pain-in-the-butt-full-of-grief volunteer job. And I can only speak for myself but as a member of this site and forum I DO APPRECIATE the people who moderate here.
Thank you Bubby... and Yes Lee... thank you too!

But can we keep in mind that the rules and guidelines, unwritten or stated, need to be adhered to by "members" and "members who are also moderators" as well. And maybe a bit more discussion as to what the role of a moderator actually is. And how some of us have felt a bit more "unfair censorship" has taken place in the name of "moderating" than was necessary.

I mean just because one has the POWER to delete, that doesn't give one the right to do so. That would be the behavior of a Dictator using Unjust Censorship to control people's comments.

This IS a FORUM... people will discuss AND DISAGREE.... big deal! A little debating is good for the soul... it's mental exercise and doesn't need to be stopped, halted OR DELETED by a moderator for fear that it is becoming "lengthy" or "depressive" or perhaps a view not shared by that moderator... this is not where we a need moderating and that is not the judgement call a moderator should be making.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY... WHEN WE HAVE BEEN PUBLICLY ATTACKED AND UNFAIRLY ACCUSED OF WRONG-DOINGS OR FOR EXAMPLE - OUR BELIEF SYSTEM HAS BEEN MOCKED AND TRAMPLED ON - WE MUST BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEFEND OURSELVES WITHOUT WORRY THAT THE TOPIC WILL SUDDENLY JUST GET CLOSED FOR NO GOOD REASON AT ALL. EVERY MEMBER SHOULD BE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO REPLY TO UGLY INSULTS AND ATTACKS IF THE MODERATORS ARE GOING TO ALLOW THOSE NASTY COMMENTS TO REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEW. FAIR IS FAIR AFTER ALL!

When we are posting in the "general discussion" area of the forum why does it matter "what" the topic is or "how long" the debate continues on for? It's a FORUM for goodness sakes! That is the WHOLE point for making the medium of a forum available to us! LOL

When comments get out-of-hand or people become prejudicial, rude, off-topic, insulting, ugly or threatening then "yes" a moderator should be stepping in to bring some peace and order to the thread, but otherwise - let us discuss, debate, disagree, have some fun and have our say! Yeeeesh!

Aaaaaah... I feel MUCH better... now I'm off to fix myself a vodka & diet coke and get back to my bathroom reno from @*%#*@ ;-)

(Good Gosh! My life revolves around drywall, paint chips and insulation)

Whitmar57

Posted 17 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

Using uppercase is shouting.

Amazing that since December 31st 1999 11:59:59 netiquette has gone way down hill.

Your quote 'When comments get out-of-hand or people become prejudicial, rude, off-topic, insulting, ugly or threatening then "yes" a moderator should be stepping in to bring some peace and order to the thread, but otherwise - let us discuss, debate, disagree, have some fun and have our say! Yeeeesh!'

Which I did do.

Except, no-one is going to make racist comments, no-one is going to put another down because they do or do not follow a certain religion, nor is anyone going to be sexist or xenophobic.

This is a software site not a politics site.

As I said to another 'member' if you want a cyber battle and furnish your words with profanity and insulting behaviour then goto yahoo.

Posted 17 years ago #
LadyGodiva
Member

Lee you wrote this to Triphammer in your first post to this thread, in response to his displeasure at your having deleted his posts:

"I don't care if you slag me off, however you should pm me first."

Similarly, if you had problems with BuBBy reopening a thread that you closed without his asking you first then wouldn't it have been better to PM BuBBY rather than expressing displeasure here? You are clearly annoyed with BuBBy's action, you called it "not polite" then said you would never personally do such a thing and added "hey some people are like that".

It seems to me BuBBy reopened the thread only to provide explanation to all, certainly not as any sort of slam against you personally! I tried to view the action differently but can't see how you interpret it as a personal insult.

However, some of the things you posted in this thread to Triphammer can only be interpreted as personal slams. Addressing someone whom you believe is an adult as "Master Triphammer" is demeaning, which seems to have been the intent. As if that wasn't enough, then there was this posted to Triphammer, "you should thank your lucky stars I have not put you across my knees and spanked your backside."

You could say he started it first, but he doesn't have "Moderator" after his name. Moderators are like forum police. Everyone naturally expects (or hopes) that any police will behave better than the citizenry upon whom those police are empowered to enforce rules. You know, that isn't always entirely fair to the police but it's just part of the job. Another part of the job is that police, although empowered to enforce rules, are never supposed to consider themselves 'better', as people, than the general citizenry even while the general citzenry expects those police to behave better. (Please note, to "behave" better is not the same as "being" better in general. Behavior is merely an action, not a state of being.) Police get plenty of complaints whenever they issue a traffic violation. But they are never supposed to tell anyone who is angry at having received such a traffic violation "Well if you don't like my performance maybe you think I should be DEMOTED to a citizen like you.", as if the state of being a citizen is somehow a 'demoted' state.

I don't know Triphammer personally, wouldn't know him if I tripped over him in the street and I don't suppose you would either. I also don't know you, BuBBy or Michelle personally. But there's nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. Objective reading of the previously closed thread clearly shows your insults to Trip were no better than his and Michelle's to each other. Conversely, objective reading of Bubby's explanation shows no personal insult to you whatsoever. The key word there is while reading, be "objective" as opposed to "subjective".

Now this post is not a slam against you Lee. If you re-read the "Master" and "spanking" comments in those posts referenced above, and read them as if it were someone other than yourself who posted them then you will certainly see the point that they are terribly personally insulting. Surely you can see that, you're not daft as you had no trouble recognizing a personal insult hurled at Michelle.

Incidentially I have noticed your use of the word"bobby" in several instances where it seemed confusing but figured it out by the context of your sentence. Lee, that word is not commonly used in all parts of the world as it may be in your country. In my country it is used only as a nickname for either Robert, Roberta or Barbara, and is always capitalized. The way you are using that word it could well be misinterpreted or it's reference missed, similar to how you missed the Monty Python reference by others' comments referring to 'sheds'. Also your use of the word "chick" in this thread, in reference to a female with whom you disagreed, is considered quite sexist in my country.

Posted 17 years ago #
Anonymous
Unregistered

I don't recall mentioning who reopened it.

Posted 17 years ago #
whitmar57
Member

LadyGodiva... Bravo! Well said!

Lee wrote....

"Using uppercase is shouting.

Amazing that since December 31st 1999 11:59:59 netiquette has gone way down hill."

Lee and the rest of the members/moderators/admin, I would like to apologize for my over-zealous use of caps in one portion of my last post.

I was merely trying to emphasize a point but I should not have used all caps to do so. You are right Lee, that was poor netiquette.

When I wrote this...

"Your quote 'When comments get out-of-hand or people become prejudicial, rude, off-topic, insulting, ugly or threatening then "yes" a moderator should be stepping in to bring some peace and order to the thread, but otherwise - let us discuss, debate, disagree, have some fun and have our say! Yeeeesh!"

You responded with....

"Which I did do."

Excuse me. No you don't Lee. You don't "let us discuss, debate, disagree, have some fun and have our say!"

You just decide for everyone, "k, nuff said" and close the thread or delete the post. And I'm not sure why you feel the need to put a timer on our discussions, or why you believe your "deletion of posts" is appropriate, acceptable behavior and conduct becoming a moderator???

You still haven't offered a reasonable explanation for the "deleting of posts" issue. And from reviewing some previous posts on this reoccurring subject, it looks like it's been a long standing problem for quite some time now. There are more appropriate ways to handle the situation than just scrapping what someone took valuable time and effort to write.

You also wrote...

"Except, no-one is going to make racist comments, no-one is going to put another down because they do or do not follow a certain religion, nor is anyone going to be sexist or xenophobic."

I can't really believe you are seriously writing that! Offensive and insulting religion- based comments were made just days ago in the "Some Rules to be Written About" thread. You were there. You closed the thread yourself! The tasteless comments weren't deleted!! Why weren't they deleted Lee? Or at least sufficiently edited. And why in the world was that thread closed in the first place?

Your solution makes no sense... The distasteful posts remain (instead of being edited) and the entire thread gets closed (instead of being steered back "on topic")?????

Sexists remarks have also been made.... heck all sorts of inappropriate behavior goes on in varying degrees... misdemeanors happen here and at every other forum daily. That's because they're visited by humans! And when offered a place to express ourselves (such as a forum) we humans can take even the most innocent "software site" and drag it "kicking and screaming" into a myriad of controversial topics without any notice. It happens on all forums! It was obviously a well know phenomenon to someone here at GAOTD ... there is after all a "General Discussion" talk area. So let us talk then!

You also said ...

"This is a software site not a politics site."

I'm not sure why you are referencing politics here. Sexist, homophobic, racial and religion based slurs are not directly related to politics. These indiscretions happen on the street, on TV, the radio and local bars all the time.

They also happen on software site forums.

You of all people are fully aware that this behavior happens even here at the "software site". Or you wouldn't have started the "Some rules to be written about" thread in the first place.

And finally Lee you stated...

As I said to another 'member' if you want a cyber battle and furnish your words with profanity and insulting behavior then goto yahoo."

Does this mean that you're a regular member on various Yahoo forums ?? Because ever since that post 2 days ago when I " quite tactfully" pointed out that your manners were a bit "rusty", you have been over-reacting, hostile and nasty in every communication you send me.

(Did it ever occur to you that maybe a quick "sorry" would have been met with an equally speedy, painless "no prob" and that would've been the end of it between us??)

The bottom line is... Members are voicing frustration with some of the moderating and noting that some of the decisions,

behaviors and actions are mimicking more along the lines of dictatorship. The power connected with the role of "forum moderator" is being abused. The "duties", "professional conduct" and "job description" of the moderator also seems to be a bit fuzzy and unclear.

Why don't we just come together, discuss what the parameters are and get it all cleared up once and for all, so that we can all ( yes 'all'...hey - it could happen) feel better about this whole ugly, reoccurring situation.

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