http://www.ksosoft.com/index.html
I think some folks here like & use the Kingsoft Ofc suite -- maybe with the update we'll see it again on GOTD?
New Version Kingsoft Office
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Idunnobutiwastold
Gaming AcolyteGoood guess. :)
The Pro version is on GOTD today (June 2013):
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/kingsoft-office-suite-professional-2013/-----
Direct page to Free version:
http://www.ksosoft.com/product/office-free.htmlPosted 10 years ago # -
Whiterabbit-uk
Games Guruhaha did you know something Mikiem?
I know another community member (no names mentioned, though not seen him around in quite some time) managed to find out what all the future game giveaways were going to be.
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mikiem2
ModeratorMy guess that Kingsoft's office suite might appear on GOTD was just a logical guess, based on them having a new version out -- sorry, no crystal ball here. :)
Lots of comments on the download page disliking the 1 year limit on the added features the Pro version offers -- if it helps that may be due to Kingsoft licensing the VBA [Visual Basic for Applications] & *maybe* some other code from Microsoft... If they are I'd guess that they're spending a bit of money on this offer rather than just foregoing profits, so I hope they don't get discouraged by any grumbling.
Personally I don't like to see the grumbling in this case because it sort of gives a bad impression of all the great GOTD regulars -- the Kingsoft Ofc Pro version offers, well, pro features that I think would be more useful for biz or work use, & if you're using it that way, to make money, complaining about spending $30 in a year just sounds awfully cheap. For home or student use where you're not getting a dime out of it that's one thing -- complain all you want. But if getting a free copy of an app only decreases your biz costs so you can increase your profits, well deal with it.
Kingsoft's office apps store their registration data in a couple of folders, one under All Users\ App or Application Data, & one under UserName\ App or Application Data -- if I remember correctly some people have had problems because those files got changed or went missing, so it couldn't hurt to back those Kingsoft folders up & store those copies somewhere. This latest version of Kingsoft Ofc does add a lot more registry entries than the last version [which had few enough that I was able to get it working as a portable app], with a total just under 30k monitored in the XP Mode VM... because of that I think suggestions [in the comments] to record those new entries [so you can remove them after uninstall] are impractical for most folks -- it is doable, but we're talking a Lot of work. OTOH I didn't see anything that would cause problems if left in place after uninstall. If you run Corel apps that also use VBA, or if you run any Microsoft Ofc stuff you probably should backup 1st before installing this latest Kinsoft Ofc suite -- files are added to Microsoft & Common Files folders that *might* have version conflicts with your existing stuff.
[In the really, Really FWIW category, typography may not be dead, but it's close. And as whizzy pointed out in another thread, in the US at least grammar nowadays is often very lacking, if not MIA. Because of both of those factors I'm unsure why some folks compare all the bells & whistles in word processing apps, as most biz & even publication pros today seem to ignore the things that those bells & whistles let you do. In essence I think developers for apps like Word & WordPerfect rack their brains trying to come up with new gimmicks to entice you to upgrade to the latest version, knowing only too well that most people would be just as well served if the ofc apps of 10, 15, or even 20 years ago would still run in win7/8. That's why I suggest finding the word processor etc. that you like, that you're comfortable with, & if/when at all possible use that -- worry about what features you use & need to use, plus use the right tools & methods for the job at hand... if you should be using a database app, by all means use a database app rather than trying to figure out what spreadsheet app lets you come closest. Likewise, just because there's a coding language available in whatever ofc app doesn't mean that you should use it instead of a real programming language -- even if you have to learn a coding language it can still be easier, faster, & more efficient than a macro on steroids run inside a spreadsheet app.]
Posted 10 years ago # -
Nass
MemberWasn't it for this kind of situation that the GoTD from April 24 was offered?
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/soft-organizer-3-04/#more-39400
I don't understand computer things but when I install things now, it shows a registry tree and claims to uninstall all of it. The comments also suggest at least one other "monitored installation" programs. I've wondered if you've compared them to your system of monitoring, Mikiem.Posted 10 years ago # -
rmpii
MemberI'm going to pass on KingSoft Office Suite because this version won't fully function after my subscription expires. I'm not going to waste my time creating documents that won't be usable if I don't pay for a subscription. I'm not opposed to subscription software as long as it's reasonably priced and it provides reliability and functionality that I can't get elsewhere for a lower price. I currently have yearly subscriptions to RoboForm and IObit's Advanced System Care. Roboform is $9.95 per year for all your devices and Advanced System Care is $14.95 per year for 3 PCs.
I wish that all software companies would offer reasonably priced non-commercial household subscriptions that allow household members to install and use the software on all of their supported devices. The software could be protected by associating it with the MAC address of the household's LAN and the CPU IDs of the devices on which the software is installed. Use of the software outside of the LAN could be allowed for a reasonable number of portable devices such as cell phones, tablets and laptops that have been properly registered while connected to the household LAN.
Posted 10 years ago # -
mikiem2
Moderator"Wasn't it for this kind of situation that the GoTD from April 24 was offered?
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/soft-organizer-3-04/#more-39400
I don't understand computer things but when I install things now, it shows a registry tree and claims to uninstall all of it. The comments also suggest at least one other "monitored installation" programs. I've wondered if you've compared them to your system of monitoring, Mikiem. "Sorry to take so long...
Unless you run a fully portable app, there's no easy way to reverse all the changes that are made to Windows -- the 2 exceptions are using virtualization apps like TimeFreeze, or restoring the disk partition. I say *fully* portable because many apps that call themselves portable only mean that they'll run without 1st running an install routine -- they'll still cause new registry entries &/or changes, & they might create or change files/folders. Sometimes those additions &/or changes are really pretty minor, and other times they're not.By monitoring software in a way that doesn't permanently effect your Windows install, e.g. using TimeFreeze or similar, using a VM, restoring a backup afterwards etc., you can get a look to see how many changes you can expect -- it's also useful if you're making an app portable, want to bypass the installer routine, or as a soft of guide you can use to make sure most of the app you monitored has been removed after later uninstalling it. When it comes to fully removing an app though, if there are too many changes to easily undo, having them all listed doesn't do you much good, if any...
If for example you monitored the install of AVIToolbox [a giveaway on another site], you'd see that the app itself creates 2 registry keys with just a few entries, an add-on creates a single key with most of the new, ~2.3k entries, & the rest are made up of Windows' stuff you can ignore, like Most Recently Used listings. In that case getting rid of the add-on key reverses maybe 90% of the registry impact. Better yet, just running the app without installation would probably generate the single key the app needs to run. Kingsoft Ofc OTOH adds almost 30k new registry entries spread across a good many keys. Those with Kingsoft in the key name are easy to get rid of, likely only belonging to & used by the app itself. The remaining keys are a far different story -- some would have to revert to their state before you added Kingsoft Ofc, if it's been a while since installation many would have to be verified [they may no longer refer to Kingsoft Ofc at all], and most all of them would have to be read through in your logs to decide how to handle them. Few people, if anyone is going to read through a text file listing 30k entries. You could try a Find & Replace in Notepad to simply add a "-" to delete the keys, but that would do nothing to put things back the way they were, & wouldn't account for any software you added after installing Kingsoft Ofc that uses those keys. The result might or might not have unintended consequences, assuming it worked.
An uninstall app like Soft Organizer might then be a better choice to remove Kingsoft Ofc, provided you had it monitor the original install. The monitoring apps I use, InstallWatch Pro & a few versions of Regshot, all give you an easy way to save the records & results but nothing else -- Soft Organizer will make the decisions for you, removing the registry keys & values along with Files & folders its internal rules say are safe to remove. It'll probably remove more than the Kingsoft Ofc uninstall that's built into the app, but it won't remove everything, because its rules error on the side of caution, & it may get something wrong, because those rules can't account for every possibility.
It gets iffy partly because it's the nature of Windows to share stuff with all your installed software, for example rather than each app knowing how to print, each individual program just tells Windows: "Print this", & it does. Installing software often includes files that *can* be shared with Windows & your other software, but uninstall software can't actually know whether any other software also uses those files or not, so it leaves them alone just in case. Windows itself also adds files &/or registry entries when you install & run a program or game, & uninstall apps leave those alone. Windows may limit you to a single component that does a particular job, so installing software can replace something, but not add it along side of what's already there. In that case *reversing* an install would mean reactivating that file or component Windows used to use, but that's not something uninstall software can know about, so either the new component is left in place, or it's removed & nothing is set to do that job.
Long story short, the best approach I think is a proactive one, more carefully weighing the proposed benefits & realizing there's some cost before deciding to add whatever app, because most often there's no way to completely reverse every change. It may be hard to resist temptation, but for me it's easier than trying to lose the 30 lb.s I put on because I didn't say no to those 2nd helpings of desert -- software's kinda the same way, much easier to add than get rid of.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Nass
MemberThanks so much for the explanation. I guess that the bottom line is its better to know what you're doing but for people like me, some tricks can come in handy. And I guess the longer you take to uninstall, the more likely it is that things will get left behind or that you'll have problems.
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