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Started 8 years ago by mikiem2
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mikiem2
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http://www.windowscentral.com/14-reasons-not-to-upgrade-windows-10

Here's a bit of a flip side to all the propaganda that seems 'bout right to me with 2 exceptions... The author complains that you can't yet install Windows Store apps anywhere but the C:\ drive, & while that's correct, the same problem existed in 8.1, so I feel it's a bit unfair to knock 10 for maintaining the status quo -- you can certainly disagree with the status quo, but it's not a bug in 10 causing it.

#2 = Windows Defender. I don't fault Microsoft for trying to make Security Essentials more aggressive to go with it's new name & OS version, but they took the only thing SE had going for it, Usability, & threw it out the window. Add 3rd party security software, & it'll still pop up, causing problems from time to time. With Defender alone [no added security software], it'll cause all sorts of delays because it decided to scan who knows what at the most inconvenient times.

And **maybe** gripe #3, 10 defaults to Numlock off. To me that's pretty stupid for a copy of Windows that wants you to use a numerical PIN, but there you go. There were several people posting on the download page that they'd never fool with Windows registry -- well that little Numlock bug might just prevent them from ever trying 10, because that's how you might have to fix it.

Posted 8 years ago #
Tiffany
Member

I don't know what his problem is but I am not having any problems, yet. Everything is set to default, just like a new computer/program. So, yes you do have to set programs to the application that you use like DVDs. I use DVDFab Media Player 2. I do have others that I could use for optional.

I don't use MSE or Defender as I have had troubles in the past, so will stay clear of them. I use Avast and Malwarebytes. Bing is now not my default Search engine. That has been changed.

As for the icons well at first some of them didn't even open, but after a couple of shut downs and restart, I think the computer worked itself out. My advice, don't mess with them until you have unpinned and/or deleted a few things you don't want/use. I did. Cortana is not supported in Aussie Land. But I did read some where that if you changed your Region to USA to can get it. Not sure if I want it or if it affects any other apps.

The only gripe I have is with the compulsory updates of Window 10. I'm hoping with a few users complaining about it, they may change their ways and bring back the old way because I know there were some updates I never used unless it was Important.

Privacy concerns? I've turned a lot of that off. I hope. LOL If they want your information they will get it even with everything turned off. No surprises there.

Microsoft Edge, not using it. Internet Explorer is still there if you go into your C:\Internet Explorer and pin it to your task bar. It will always be there, just not supported after Jan 2016. But there are other Browsers I can use. No loss.

The Number Pin to use as a password I thought was a good idea for this old girl. I thought this will be easy being a ex-Data Processor but it doesn't work. On or off. Only if I use the numbers on the main keyboard which I have never been good at, even when I was back at school. So have to change back to a worded password.

But thanks for that link. I am going to study it and see if anything else needs changing.

Posted 8 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

The Number Pin to use as a password I thought was a good idea for this old girl. I thought this will be easy being a ex-Data Processor but it doesn't work. On or off. Only if I use the numbers on the main keyboard which I have never been good at, even when I was back at school. So have to change back to a worded password.

When you're at or on the sign-in screen, where you see the power button icon in the lower right, press the NumLock key on your keyboard, then use that power button icon to restart or reboot. *With luck* the problem's solved. If not, the fix is in the registry...

Right-click the Windows Start Button, & select Run. Type in regedit & press enter. On the left side of Regedit go to HKEY_USERS & expand that, click DEFAULT & expand that, then Control Panel, & finally click on Keyboard. On the right side you'll see a value named "InitialKeyboardIndicators" -- double click that, which will bring up a small dialog box. You want that value to be "2147483650". Click OK & close Regedit - Done.

Microsoft's Edge will *probably* be OK eventually, once they finish it. Chrome 64 bit has had issues -- allegedly now fixed -- and Google says it will Not integrate Chrome into the Notification Center because it would make Chrome behave differently than everywhere else outside of 10. Firefox is going to remake itself to be more like Chrome & Edge, so no idea what the result will be like. Opera has been having some success with Opera Mini in the mobile realm, e.g. Android, & you can find it in the Windows Store.

If you head over to neowin.net & go to their software page by clicking the Categories dropdown, they've got write-ups & links for O&O ShutUp & Ultimate Windows Tweaker 4. The 1st focuses on privacy related tweaks or settings, the 2nd on tweaks or settings in general, & includes an option to turn off Windows Update. I haven't tried either app out personally. There are lots of Windows 10 tips online -- windowscentral.com has a section just for that -- & those tips generally tell you how to accomplish the same sort of tweaks on your own. Microsooft also has a Fix-it that will let you hide individual updates at https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

The only gripe I have is with the compulsory updates of Window 10. I'm hoping with a few users complaining about it, they may change their ways and bring back the old way because I know there were some updates I never used unless it was Important.

Right now going with the pro version of 10, or using the Fix-it & manually hiding updates are the only official options -- for those folks who upgraded to 10 Home from the hugely popular win7 Home Premium for example, the $99 charge to upgrade to Pro is a bit steep, considering that's likely the only benefit you'll see. If there is any upside to that, it's that upgrading to pro doesn't require reinstalling Windows or anything -- it just changes itself to the pro version when/if you enter the key.

Since win10 Home can turn itself into Pro, I imagine there are people working now to figure out just how it does that. I'd also guess that as possible they'll release apps &/or tweaks to accomplish that in whole & in parts. While upgrading Home to Pro without paying anything would be illegal, I'm not sure that turning on the Pro version's option to defer updates would be illegal too. It *might* also be something Microsoft turns a blind eye to...

Microsoft like every other software company has had the problem of people never updating. At the same time however, like other software companies they've released updates that broke stuff, & when that happens it takes a little while for them to come up with a fix. With the old way of doing things word would get out to avoid whatever update, so fewer systems got effected -- if you can't turn off or delay an update that means everyone has the problem. That's already happened more than once -- that's why they released the Fix-it -- so they've got to figure out something, whether it's going back to the old way of updating or something new.

Posted 8 years ago #
Tiffany
Member

Thanks mikiem2. I eventually worked out the number PIN. For some reason my NumLock turns off when I sign in or off. I've never noticed that before so I will have to tap the NumLock button before my PIN.

I should have mentioned before that I am using Win 10 Home. Thank you for the Neowin and Windows Central links. Will be giving those sites a good going over.

Posted 8 years ago #
krypteller
Member

I think it is a bit illogic to complain about compulsory updates of Windows 10, without explaining why compulsory updates of Ubuntu and other Linux variants are OK.

Posted 8 years ago #
ChrisS
Administrator

AFAIK, there are no "compulsory updates" in Ubuntu. Ubuntu gives you options to choose which type of updates that you want to download and install automatically or to completely opt out of automatic updates. Ubuntu’s overall software handling

But, on the larger issue, what you're suggesting is "if company A adopts the policies of company B then the customers of company A have no right to complain until they fully and completely repudiate the polices of company B" which is fallacious. It also completely ignores the concept that company A customers were repudiating the policies of company B by not doing business with company B.

Maybe you've never had a Windows Update cause you trouble but I think it a poor business practice to force updates of any software and particularly of software that's still in beta test. If I choose to install the updates and it causes me to lose data then I'm responsible; if you force those updates and they cause me to lose data then you're responsible. Mikiem posted an article about the clowns driving Acer into the ground, he may well post a similar article about Microsoft in the near future... assuming that the continuing "Tales of Windows 10 Woe" aren't that article.

Posted 8 years ago #
krypteller
Member

I did NOT suggest that "if company A adopts the policies of company B then the customers of company A have no right to complain until they fully and completely repudiate the polices of company B". I was thinking about customers of both companies A and B reacting differently to these companies in a way that seems illogical to me.

I am a customer of a) Microsoft (phone, tablet, OS [XP Home, W7 Home and Pro, 8.1 Home and Pro, W10 both Home and Pro], b) Ubuntu/elementary etc, c) Google chromebook and d) Apple (iPad). I have to keep all these machines up-to-date, if only to protect myself from financial loss if something goes wrong during e-banking. The banks in the Netherlands will only compensate me if I can prove I have installed all updates they might deem necessary. That means a) OS, b) apps and c)antivirus (a special app) need to be up-to-date. And never click on a strange underlined word or sentence in an e-mail or on a web page. That is the users responsibility. A large percentage of the average users has problems to fulfill these demands. Those users will profit from an automatic update system that Windows 10 Home seems to bring.

On W10 Home I have less choice regarding OS-updates. On W10 Home I can see which updates are installed. On my chromebook I only can check the latest update date, not what was changed. I can live with that.

Ubuntu/elementary etc and chromebook not only update the OS, but also (nearly) all third-party apps. My free Windows Avast! antivirus warns me if apps need updates and asks money if I want updates to be installed automatically via Avast.

The update choices Ubuntu lets me make forces me to make choices, without knowing the effect of these choices. So I just let all updates be installed automatically. In that respect I experience Ubuntu updates as "compulsory" de facto even they are not compulsory de jure. And to be clear: I am happy with that.

It is possible Microsoft will do the opposite as Avast in the near future: ask money for not updating automatically. Or ask money by delaying updates for a few months, so the client is sure he is not a guinea pig.

I am busy converting most of my Windows machines to Windows 10. So far I have two running W 32 Professional (one Acer desktop and one Medion netbook), two running W64 Professional (one emachines desktop and one Acer laptop) and two running Windows 64 Home (one Asus laptop and one Acer netbook). Two of these protested because they have NVIDEA graphics, so I had to trick the update process. My wife's HP laptop has NVIDEA, so it will stay with W7 Home for the time being. All W10 machines run fine. I have experienced no problems with the updates.

If I have a problem that I cannot solve, I will go back to Windows 7, or Ubuntu/elementary for that machine. I still have my chromebook and iPad to read my mail, do postings, write my blog, run Word and Excel on-line, copy my photographs to DropBox, do e-banking, etc. The only thing I miss on the chromebook is Skype.

Posted 8 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

Purely FWIW krypteller I'd tease that you run Windows & *nix :)

Surprised that nVidia graphics hardware gives you any pause upgrading to 10 -- they have full win10 drivers -- but maybe the drivers are just for the discreet cards?

And never click on a strange underlined word or sentence in an e-mail or on a web page. That is the users responsibility.

That seems a bit hypocritical on the bank's part -- billions are lost to computer related crime, & most of the big money losses are because the people [including higher ups] in corporations & banking fall for scams.

A large percentage of the average users has problems to fulfill these demands. Those users will profit from an automatic update system that Windows 10 Home seems to bring.

It probably won't surprise that my attitude on that, is that those not keeping stuff up to date, do so because it's just not that important to them. And it goes far beyond any OS itself, but includes security software, enterprise software, the code that their servers & networks run on etc. In a perverse way that's a good thing -- the guys & gals making money from scams & exploits have plenty of targets to keep them busy, with all that unpatched code to take advantage of, & no need to invest resources in coming up with the means to ensnare those of us who do keep everything up to snuff. ;)

I liked 7 the way it is/was. It tells me when there are important updates, which I can then check out before installing. It also gives me the chance to do a full backup, just in case. Problem was/is that that system allows the user to both take a passive role & turn updates off, & there are very frankly people who need to be forced if an update install is ever going to happen. Forcing them however brings up issues...

One is philosophical -- how much right do you have to tell your neighbor what to do? In some cases it seems pretty cut & dry, but there are always questionable calls & subjective judgements once you go down that road, & ironically the worst outcomes that were the point of the whole thing often increase.

Two, it forces those above average to somewhere below the bell curve. Since Microsoft has 1) made updates continuous, 2) stopped releasing data on what an update does, & 3) apparently stopped advance notice of updates, I have to change the way I manage Windows. I have to test & evaluate updates in an easily restored VM, & research online to see if updates killed anything. And I have to check for updates 1st thing when I fire up 10, because the download routine, which happens automatically, also starts up several processes while it ties up my network & disk I/O bandwidth -- if I am not proactive then I take a hit while doing something I don't want interrupted by that performance hit.

While I'll say a few nasty words to myself while I'm doing that busy work, if I was running an IT shop I'd be pretty ticked off. SO Microsoft has & is making changes & allowances to get IT on board with 10. I'm pretty sure that I'll eventually get around the current hassles through 3rd party tools & adopting whatever IT practices, but I'm still waiting for the dust to settle a bit. For the most part I'm 10 agnostic, try to recognize it's faults & potential accomplishments, but won't make any exclusive leap to 10 anytime soon -- the scales simply have not tipped in its favor as of yet -- so I can wait.

Likewise I don't have a real opinion of how updates work with 10, home or pro. I see it's ugly weaknesses, but realize that my skepticism may be proved wrong, *if* Microsoft never releases a bad update again, & *if* they can point to some big overall positive difference it has made real world. OTOH history regarding that 1st part makes me pretty confident that I'll never have to eat my words. :)

If I have a problem that I cannot solve, I will go back to Windows 7, or Ubuntu/elementary for that machine. I still have my chromebook and iPad to read my mail, do postings, write my blog, run Word and Excel on-line, copy my photographs to DropBox, do e-banking, etc.

That's the advantage of a regular PC vs. a laptop... It's fairly cheap & easy to add disk space [which I need plenty of anyway working with video], so I can run a bunch of OSes & switch freely between them. I could be typing this in a VM, or after booting into 7 32 bit, 10 32 or 64 bit, or firing up my Android or Windows tablet, but why would I bother? If I'm in 10 & it gives me a problem I can fool with it, or boot into 7 64 until later.

Posted 8 years ago #
ChrisS
Administrator

Krypteller, what you're saying is that it would be illogical for you to complain about "compulsory" updates in Windows 10 since you view all updates as compulsory. That's fine but that's just you. Most people don't run any version of Linux and they recognize that Microsoft introduced a marked change in the way updates are managed with Windows 10.

No responsible System Administrator would install Windows 10. You simply cannot allow untested updates to be installed throughout your network. You must, as Mikiem does on his personal computer, test the update for any conflicts with existing hardware and software. Which means the entire Corporate world should take a pass on Windows 10. They won't, but they should.

Frankly, I don't think Microsoft truly understands the ramifications of their change. You say that you must prove to banks that all updates were installed in order to receive fraud protection. What happens when your Windows 10 forced update exposes your data and you lose all of your money? Are you on the hook? The bank? Or is Microsoft left holding the now empty deep pockets? What happens when the forced update causes a nationwide power outage and 47 people die? Which of the Microsoft employees will check into the "crossbar motel"? Do they already have job descriptions for the designated jailbirds?

Microsoft is saying that their expert knowledge is superior in all cases. Which is why they need to issue updates so often...

It's going to end in tears with the Mother of All Class Action Lawsuits.

Posted 8 years ago #
krypteller
Member

Some answers, not the complete story:
1) I have not read anything yet on problems with Dutch Banks, Windows 10 and ordinary people, but it seems logical to me that if you use Windows 10 Home as a consumer, you as an individual are in the clear. After all it is clear your choice of OS guarantees it is up-to-date. If Microsoft made an error, I expect the Banks will sue Microsoft.
2) If you clicked on something stupid, but you can make it plausible you did not do it on purpose, it is probable the Bank will cover your loss. No guarantee, though. Scam mails are getting and better. Last week I received one in which I could not see any typing or spelling error. Correct spelling in Dutch can be quite difficult, if you have not learned some elementary rules at school. And our language is changing constantly: we now use words like "control" and "global" with the same meaning as in English. When I was at school they had the same meaning as in French. This is just one example.
3) I once extended a published TRS-80 BASIC programme into a database system where the data were entered in DATA-statements. The BASIC programme changed those lines. So after any edit you had to save your programme to save the changed you made in your data. You did wise in using several cassettes so you had grandfather-father-son backups. Somebody asked me a free copy to digitise his Church database. I never had any problem with the program myself, but he did a lot of queer things while running it. So his database crashed. He would call me on the phone and I would bring out "bug fixes" and send him a new cassette by post. In the beginning he would phone back within a day after receiving the bug fix with a new problem. Later it would take two days, three days, a week, two weeks, a months, a quarter and six months before he called again. Then I never heard of him anymore. I do not know if all bugs hand been fixed by then, or that he had given up, or bought another programme. I cannot remember if any problem he reported was a real programming error. I do remember I had to put in a lot of error checking code, such as checking if the day of birth of a church member fell between (say) 99 and 6 years before the current day. And if two members of the same family had not the same set of first names, etc. And if he had not pressed a combination of two keys that had no meaning, etc. I still remember with some shame I called the System Administrator once complaining my password did not work anymore and he pointed out to me Caps Lock was on. That's why I love my Chromebook: it has no Caps Lock key. The basis message is: bugs are not only stupid programming errors made by the programmer but because we users do things the programmer did not envisage. That is why he needs testers. Not only his own, but out there in the public. Without users you cannot be sure all bugs are discovered. And as long as we have touch pads, strange things will happen. One of the real advantages of a desktop is that is has no touch pad...
4) Even with perfect programmers, programmers need to adapt their coding to changes in other software, hardware, legal rules, etc. Do you remember that programmers used two digits for a year before "discovering" a centennial AND millennium change lay ahead and their code might still be in use on 1 January 2000? And something likewise made Microsoft decide they should call their next OS Windows 10 instead of Windows 9? Because their code contains specials for Windows 95/98/98SE, that could have been coded with checks on "Windows 9"?
5) Windows 10 Home ensures us we keep living in interesting times.

Today I have to help two friends. The first one has installed Windows 10 before removing his Classic Starter on his W8.1 machine. So he has no W10 Start Menu. I made the same error with my first W10 upgrade, so I know what to do. The second one has "The User Profile Service service failed the logon. the user profile cannot be loaded" error message" and is afraid to touch his registry.

Posted 8 years ago #
krypteller
Member

Re "Surprised that nVidia graphics hardware gives you any pause upgrading to 10 -- they have full win10 drivers -- but maybe the drivers are just for the discreet cards?"

This particular desktop and the laptop in question indeed have no separate graphic cards, just some chip soldered on the main board. nVidia has not (yet?) updated drivers for those things. The compact desktop has no slot to put a new graphics card in. Microsoft has a general driver, but that does not perform as it should. On my desktop I have installed a W7 W8 or Vista (I forgot which) driver after forcing the update to Windows 10 by hand.

Posted 8 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

Microsoft has a general driver, but that does not perform as it should. On my desktop I have installed a W7 W8 or Vista (I forgot which) driver after forcing the update to Windows 10 by hand.

Ouch!

I wonder if nVidia's chip architecture somehow doesn't agree with 10's new display-related code? There are many fewer AMD [ATI] GPUs in use nowadays -- nVidia's got the lion's share of the market -- but many of the fanboys that are left have been ecstatic over the big performance gains they've gotten simply by switching to 10.

I tended to figure that it was because AMD's win7-8.1 drivers had bugs that were removed or fixed with their 10 drivers, but maybe I was wrong? Maybe AMD's GPU architecture is more win10 friendly. That might explain nVidia graphics not getting the same speed boost, the notorious problems they had with one driver pushed out by win10's update, & their lack of on-board graphics support?

Posted 8 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

The basis message is: bugs are not only stupid programming errors made by the programmer but because we users do things the programmer did not envisage. That is why he needs testers. Not only his own, but out there in the public. Without users you cannot be sure all bugs are discovered.

Bit of a side note on the 1st part, that's why companies need to spend the resources to have security experts go over their code before it's released. Hackers [white & black hat] think in terms of & find that sort of thing. Companies like Microsoft aren't *too* bad, generally welcoming reports of vulnerabilities & patching their code accordingly. But there are a great many companies, especially those that make products with embedded software, that are quite the opposite, only paying attention if/when it gets a lot of bad press, e.g. Chrysler/Fiat recently.

And just as security experts are often thought an unnecessary expense, so are beta testers nowadays. It used to be that they were paid, then they were simply given something, e.g. a license for the software that they were testing. Now Microsoft has stopped even that with win10, & IMHO it shows. With 7 they had an insider program that had certain requirements, but they also rewarded insiders with copies of Ofc & Windows Ultimate versions. With 10 there were/are no requirements, nor are there any rewards. WIndows 7 was a success because it worked -- 10 is popular because it's free. ;)

Posted 8 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

Frankly, I don't think Microsoft truly understands the ramifications of their change... What happens when your Windows 10 forced update exposes your data and you lose all of your money? Are you on the hook? The bank? Or is Microsoft left holding the now empty deep pockets? What happens when the forced update causes a nationwide power outage and 47 people die? Which of the Microsoft employees will check into the "crossbar motel"? Do they already have job descriptions for the designated jailbirds?

I think that's kind of the complete explanation of why Microsoft & other software companies have fought liability laws & regulations tooth & nail. And why once again people & lawmakers, & of course lawyers are starting to talk about it. It was in the news yesterday I think, that a guy was awaiting sentencing for writing an Android exploit. He was held responsible by the law & the court for what the software he wrote did. The essential difference between him & Microsoft was intent vs. negligence.

But as it stands, negligence is normally Very punishable -- software companies just for some reason get a pass. I think most people recognize the reason why, as in something changed hands to benefit lawmakers, but they're still asking "Why?", as in if they can be held responsible if they don't clear their walkway in winter, how in the world can a software company Not be held responsible when its screw up can cost millions of dollars if not lives.

It's going to end in tears with the Mother of All Class Action Lawsuits.

I'm actually waiting for the next election here in the US to see if Microsoft doesn't, albeit quietly back tort reform exactly because of that. Say what you will about junk or frivolous law suits, if it wasn't for the courts deciding that banks had some liability when a credit card system was breached, US banks would probably not have ever issued chipped cards. It was cheaper to dump any responsibility on the retailer & their insurance, & besides, any costs related to not having chipped cards could easily be passed on to consumers.

Retailer Target just announced that after years the gov had finally cleared them, wasn't going to pursue charges & penalties related to their infamous credit card system breach. And look at how the gov has gone after airbag maker Takada. Yet gov actions against software giants seems limited to antitrust? Makes so little sense, especially given how governments & lawmakers are publicizing how heavily we depend on software when they're talking about the potential for harm from hackers. I can't imagine it not changing -- can't imagine the software industry escaping liability too much longer.

Posted 8 years ago #
ChrisS
Administrator

Krypteller, aren't you just reprising your discussion on Drivers where your broad "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" maxim only applied to those who lacked the ability to recover from installing a bad driver "fix"?

If you truly supported MS's compulsory updates then you'd learn to love the crappy video driver it says belongs on your system. Instead we get "Microsoft has a general driver, but that does not perform as it should. I have installed a W7 W8 or Vista (I forgot which) driver after forcing the update to Windows 10 by hand".

So, like IIABDFI, there's an implied expertise level in meekly complying with the compulsory updates. Those who don't like the compulsory updates are fine with Automatic Updates having the same default "On" configuration as other versions of the OS. They merely want the ability to update manually if their situation warrants. In other words, they want the same option that you're reserving for yourself. How is that illogical?

Posted 8 years ago #
ChrisS
Administrator

software companies just for some reason get a pass
Two reasons:
a) Software is a new legal frontier and the cash you mentioned got the law started in the direction most favorable to the companies. But, it's evolving as more and more people realize that what happens in the magic black box has real world ramifications. A data breach that exposes your personal information to the Russians and Chinese isn't just a plot line in a nerd movie anymore. Who gets the blame next year... the hard working Government Employees or the greedy software developers?

b) If you can force yourself to trudge through the EULA you'll find that the user voluntarily installed the software and, consequently, MS has no liability. It's up to the user to determine the applicability and risk. The EULA largely says "If you screw up your system then it's on you". However, I think MS is going to have a problem when they claim that the initial EULA gives them the right to subsequently install whatever they want, anytime they want, with zero liability. Microsoft is now saying "we determine the applicability and you take the risk" which isn't going to fly. Think back to the "technical glitch" that shut down the NYSE a few weeks back. That should scare the bytes out of Microsoft.

I'm sure MS agrees with what you say about "intent versus negligence" but they should focus more on the snow covered sidewalk that's "criminally negligent". It's not just an "oopsie" when the "knew or should have known" discussion starts.

Posted 8 years ago #
krypteller
Member

Re "If you truly supported MS's compulsory updates then you'd learn to love the crappy video driver it says belongs on your system."

Microsoft did not want to upgrade two of my machines, because they knew I would run into trouble because nVidea has no W10 drivers available for these machines. And because the Microsoft general driver is not up to standard for old hardware. But I wanted to experiment and forced updates to W10 manually. So it is no surprise to me I have to look after the drivers myself. That has nothing to do with updates of the Microsoft OS. In my opinion, drivers are the interface between the OS (MS's responsibility) and the hardware (in this case the responsibility of nVidea). Both machines are quite old (2008/2010), so I do not have hard feelings towards nVidea if they do not update drivers for old hardware. As long as I am satisfied with the W10 performance of these old machines, I will keep W10 on them. If I am no longer satisfied, I will revert back to W7. Or to Ubuntu/elementary.

I really do not think Microsoft will provide new drivers for old hardware as part of their automatic update system.

Next October my friends and I will help fellow villagers to upgrade to W10, if they want to. In the meantime I want to experiment as much as possible. Especially with old hardware. So I can advise them, based on practical experience.

Posted 8 years ago #
mikiem2
Moderator

Apparently new nVidia drivers today -- I was curious so I Googled. This doc lists what's supported if it's of any use. nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/89124/en-us

What I was more curious on was how far back AMD was going with theirs. :)
And AMD has a new beta driver out too, allegedly fixing a couple of issues that kept me from trying the last version. They've unified 7-10. & list the 6870 in my wife's PC now [which really isn't that old, & wasn't the cheapest AMD card by a long shot]. At any rate, the notes for the beta seem to do a better job of listing what's supported [back to the 5k series] than the regular release, & you'll find it here in case it's useful come October. support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/latest-catalyst-windows-beta.aspx

Posted 8 years ago #
Tiffany
Member

mikiem2 says...........Apparently new nVidia drivers today. Thank you.

I have a NVIDIA GeForce GT620 and this was updated to take Win10 long before I got Win10. I've just updated to the latest upgrade today.

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