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New Forum: Registered but Not Registered, etc., Program Index

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  • Started 11 months ago by brillobro
  • Latest reply from Keilaron

  1. brillobro
    Member

    Desktop Icon Toy v2.7 was offered ~month ago. I liked it for several reasons and kept it. Today, on system startup, a new notice appeared above the Taskbar saying, "Desktop Icon Toy, unregistered, 5 days left." I have not found a way to turn off this notice, except I assume, the obvious one.

    However, in the "About DIT" it says, "Registered to: Giveawayoftheday," and shows the registration number.

    Based on a number of side-comments that I've read on the daily GOTD download page about various softwares, this "Registered but Not Registered" status is not a new or even unusual occurance with GOTD downloads.

    Are there remedies, in general, or specifically, for the "Registered but Not Registered" status? Or is this just "The Rest of The Story" with some/many/most/all GOTD downloads?

    If a program is in fact a time-limited or feature -limited "trial", GOTD and the DEV should state that clearly, up front, in the pre-download come-on, hype, blurb.

    If it's not limited or crippled in some manner, on-screen notices to the contrary are inappropriate, if not worse, depending on the motive behind the notice. (At least the notice I'm getting is in a normal font size and doesn't flash or have an alarm sound...yet. It is bright RED, however.)

    The relationship between GOTD and developers is a formal contract. The relationship between developers and GOTD users is an informal contract.

    But it's still a contract. Developers have the opportunity to improve their programs using, in some cases, anecdotal impressions, and in other cases, spot-on technical information provided by GOTD users. All of this information has REAL (albeit, potential) $$$$ value to developers. And for that information, the DEVS, at the very least, are obliged to disclose, clearly and completely, what the GOTD user is getting. Anything less amounts to at least "bait-and-switch", and perhaps, outright deception.

    Admittedly, the information that developers get from GOTD users essentially ends after 24 hours. Currently, there is no practical incentive for developers to extend their offerings beyond that point. Maybe that's the underlying issue here.

    But there should/could be an incentive.

    The third relationship in this triad is between GOTD and GOTD users. GOTD could post a simple list of former GOTD offerings, indexed by DEV and/or title that GOTD users can access and modify with "usage/performance/glitches/hangs/BSD" information, such as..... the "permanent" registration expires in one month.

    And there would be additional uses for such a "forum", for GOTD users and DEVS alike. The key is to have a quick and easily accessible, referenced index of the previously offered GOTD programs where GOTD users and DEVS can go to add or find information related to the performance of XYZ program.

    In my vision, the list is alphabetical, indexed by first letter of title, I click on "D", the "D" list comes up, there are green and red flashing titles, or shades varying between green and red (brownish?) according to the mix of accumulative red versus green comments. I click on the red flashing title, "Desktop Icon Toy", the comments appear, mine says, "ARRGGH! the permanent registration expires in one month."

    Unless, of course, such a list/index already exists around here somewhere, in which case, Where is it?

    So, I'm suggesting a "performance index of previously offered programs" forum, and
    I'm specifically asking about the Registered/Not Registered phenomenon.

    Your response options:

    a. yes, there are solutions to "Reg/not Reg" problems. They are x, y, z and are at url.
    b. no, this is how it is with GOTD downloads.
    c. DIT was free, stop griping.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  2. Hey brillobro. My answer doesn't fit in any of the 3 but.............I have noticed in other threads about the same thing happening but in a few days the "Nag" screen went away.

    If you check other threads, you'll see that we have brought this same situation up. I agree with you about listing the software properly so people will know. Trial is exactly what it says. Other than subscribed antivirus software, if its licensed to you and is Registered, then its yours for as long as you want it.

    Check out the forum, your not alone.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  3. brillobro
    Member

    Desktop Icon Toy v2.7, GOTD offered, d/led and installed on May 31, 2007, stopped working August 4, 2007. Six days before, on July 30, a red notice appeared above the Taskbar saying, "Desktop Icon Toy, unregistered, 5 days left."

    The DIT Registration Information window now says,
    "This is 14-day evaluation version, 0 days left. To order online. please click here
    If you have a serial number, please enter the details here:
    User Name: Giveawayoftheday
    Serial Number: [snipped]"

    GOTD did not present this as a trial. It is licensed and registered. Yet, it is/was a trial.

    The red notice remained on my screen to remind me that Desktop Icon Toy v2.7 was registered... but not registered.

    Until I uninstalled the program a few minutes ago.

    This is not right.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  4. If you care to review the product release history and the dates:

    Version 2.5 was released on May 18, 2007 - This is the version that GOTD offered as a giveaway.

    On June 8, version 2.6 was released, and then finally on June 22, version 2.7 was released.

    It was clearly stated both on the download page, and in the readme file that:

    Terms and conditions

    Please note that the software you download and install during
    the Giveaway period comes with the following important limitations:
    1) No free technical support
    2) No free upgrades to future versions
    3) Strictly non-commercial usage

    If you accept or select to install updated or new versions of the giveaway software - the usual result (as determined by the developer) is that the software will revert to a trial/evaluation version.

    Hopefully, this helps explain what happened.

    Cheers,
    BuBBy.

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  5. brillobro didn't state that he did an update on the software. I know that this makes the software turn to trial but I've seen so many posts from users here that no better state the same thing. In fact I remember several posting about the nag screen and then a day or two later it went away.

    If brillobro did something wrong then thats one thing but if it is as he's stated then the software developers are wrong by posting software here that has a time limit. Thats shareware or trialware that can be downloaded from anywhere.

    GOTD needs to check these claims out and prevent the developers (if at fault) from presenting there software here. I do see the dates that he posted and don't know if he installed 2.7 on the given date or not but if he's going off of memory and did download 2.7 and install it with the reg. then somethings up.

    This has never happened to me but then again I download very little unless it is of use or interests me.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  6. brillobro only mentioned version 2.7 - which could only have been on his machine if the version 2.5 (the version offered here) was upgraded.

    The default upgrade settings when installing the software are shown HERE.

    To me this says either the "check new version with start" had to be checked, or "check new version now" button had to be clicked - for it to be possible to get to version 2.7 (or of course, visiting the website, downloading the update, and installing it manually).

    The GOTD version Of Desktop Icon Toy v2.5 is running just fine on my PC @ Aug,7 2007, 09:00am.

    No conspiracy from my end. ;)

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  7. brillobro
    Member

    This just gets curiouser and curiouser...

    Referring to the Desktop Icon toys v2.5, Options, Help window, Bubby said, "To me this says either the "check new version with start" had to be checked, or "check new version now" button had to be clicked - for it to be possible to get to version 2.7 (or of course, visiting the website, downloading the update, and installing it manually)."

    So I suppose that accounts for it. Clearly, from the dates of the files in the DIT folder, the program was updated to v2.7 on June 22. I don't recall, but there is little doubt in my mind that I did check the check new version box when I installed the software on May 31. And then, on June 22, DIT found a newer version, and, since I am more than 90% certain that I would recall responding to a notice that a new version was available, DIT automatically installed it. Without notifying me.

    That's a moot point however, since I probably would have allowed it if had I been notified; as I doubt I would have associated the notice with with GOTD limitation #2, "No free upgrades to future versions."

    I learned something here. "No free upgrades to future versions" means don't check the box, "check for new version with start" when installing a GOTD program, if you want to keep it.

    No suggestion here of a conspiracy there, or anywhere. Just a whiff of something a little odd in all this.

    I own/run a small business. I couldn't stay in business very long if I ran it like some software developers run theirs (most familiar with flight simulator software).

    But then I sell tangible products to long-standing customers with whom I have face-to-face relationships. A little different than what happens here. Old school.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  8. I kinda agree here. While it's all fine and dandy not to allow product updates, some products (like today's PocketSearch!) automatically check for new versions. It would be nice if the companies that give this software would be kind enough to disable that at least for the GotD version. Some companies do it, I've noted, and it's much appreciated. Perhaps GotD could add this to their terms..?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  9. Agreed. In a sense this has been an issue before when a giveaway (I can't remember which) timed out with a message to obtain an updated version from the website. Normally this wouldn't be a problem - it is a valid way to make sure old versions aren't "floating around". But for GOTD purposes this was a big no-no, so the developer released a new version that didn't time out on the official website and posted notices on this site.

    Some would suggest that having an option to disable checking for upgrades would be sufficient, but I have seen it too many times before where users obviously aren't aware of the implications and think "upgrading" their giveaway software will be a good thing.

    I'd have to find the comments on the main page again - but IIRC the developer mentioned this giveaway is a 12 month subscription (with upgrades) and a permanent usage license. In todays case - upgrading could be a good thing (at least while the license permits it). Although.... to confuse the matter further - the readme terms state "no free upgrades" - but the license from the developer says otherwise.

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  10. Yeah... it sounds to me like there's a severe lack of communication.

    Posted 11 months ago #

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