Giveaway of the Day Forums

1. 

   Kurt
   Member

   Admin input isn't needed. There is nothing in the licensing agreement that says you cannot backup the software. Therefore, if we are not for to "agree" not to, then the law that prevails is the default copyright law. It is well established in black letter and case law that absent any licensing agreement where you "sign" away your rights, fair use includes the right to back up your software.

   The admins can say it's legal, the admins can say it's not legal. They can talk as much as they like, but until and unless the text of any licensing agreements they put up includes a clause specifically forbidding users to back up the software they obtain here, then it's perfectly legit.

   My guess is that they would prefer to practice strategic ambiguity about the issue. I don't believe they think they can get away with actually forbidding backups. If they leave the issue ambiguous, then the very murkiness of the water acts as a check against people reinstalling. Ambiguity serves their purposes.

   Posted 17 years ago #
2. 

   BillW50
   Member

   What part of "No free technical support" do you theog and FABScott don't understand? The admins don't owe either one of you anything. Nor do they promise you anything. And picking on them to answer you isn't going to gain any of you anything positive at all. So why bother?

   Posted 17 years ago #
3. 

   theog
   Member

   BillW50 and others... really, I could not give a crap what the admins do or don't do. It is obvious they are not operating a "tight ship." So you are right, "why bother." I thought it would be nice if they thought enough to put 2 cents into the convo, but I was wrong.

   I'm not "picking on them" by any means. Simple clarification on the terms of the software so people are not doing anything illegal is not picking on the admins. And, so we understand, clarification of the terms is not "free technical support." I'm not asking how to move "x" to "y" here....

   Get your panties out a twist if you want to post something that actually ads to this debate. Ha, ha...

   Posted 17 years ago #
4. 

   BillW50
   Member

   I have, read back :)

   Posted 17 years ago #
5. 

   phuckhead
   Member

   This goes to whiterabbit and anyone else paranoid.
   You are very much wrong in what you said and in the way you have become the customer they want. I will try to show you why I said this and I am not wishing an argument or to knock whiterabbit or anyone here.
   The internet did not appear overnight. It existed long before windows. It had ways of doing things prior to money being made by anyone. It shared everything and no one was making money. It was a tool for the user and the value of the net was the lack of rules because as scary as that is thats called real freedom and thats priceless compared to samplerware or any software.
   Just imagine your grandfathers father being told he could not let his friends read the book he bought and then imagine him being told he broke a law in letting his poor neighbor read the book after he finished reading it. By the way what about libraries they started the whole sharing thing. Authors made money and did not freak out over libraries. Companies have always existed and they will remain making money even if we get the upper hand again which we won't and this forum proves it. At least to me it shows that things are so distorted people don't value or think much about freedom and rights. The norm is now that companies must be helped to rip us off. No one was trying to make money and the whole dot com thing came out of peop[le helping each other and fueled by no rules or goverment insight try getting such an explosion of onventions and solutions from a cubicle farm. Bill Gates got dos from a xerox copier repairman. In my opinion your whole mentality is out of whack if you don't want to break laws that should not exist. At one time there were many locomotive builders, today there is just one. Companies are a dime a dozen and should be second to the people. If they lost their ability to make the money they were used to making to bad. With freedom comes innovation and someone will come along and figure out a business model that works. My personal opinion is if I buy something its mine to share and if given a copy to use and I figure out how to get a copy then that becomes mine to share.
   Whiterabbit your perspective needs adjusted because if anyone is ruining things its the people that accept a company that takes away your freedom in order for a personal gain.
   I know I am way off on a tangent for this sights forum but if we all became the consumer they desire we would be paying for everything probably paying per email or forum post. Who cares whether or not they chose to sweat they should sweat more uts healthy. hehe sorry but it needed said and its easy to become brainwashed into becoming a mega-moron-consumer. We are satisfied with only 10 minutes of commercials per 30 minutes of content.

   Posted 17 years ago #
6. 

   BillW50
   Member

   You are dead wrong phuckhead! Gates bought DOS from Seattle Computer Products for $50,000. And IBM turned around and bought DOS, Basic, and a few other things for $80,000. So Gates didn't make much at all from IBM and IBM made all of the money. But Gates kept the rights to sell DOS and that is what made him rich. It was a big risk, but that is how people get rich.

   I would love to agree with you on other things, but this one point shows me you have no idea what you are talking about. I believe people who provides false stories should be held accountable for all of the harm they cause people.

   Posted 17 years ago #
7. 

   theog
   Member

   phuckhead, I think you have lost it....

   At any rate, if you want to compare the internet to something, look up what happened to radio.

   I can't really talk about the rest of your post since I happen to own a software company. Yes, back in the day everything was free, but that was also a problem. While I love opensource, it is rather difficult to build something of quality and not get paid for it.

   Yes, I know you can get money for support, donations, etc, but that does not always work the way it should with smaller companies or less-known companies. Sometimes going paid is the only way to stay alive. Also, getting paid is the only way some people can afford to take time to work on a project. Everything costs something and time is not free. Case in point, I doubt if this site makes much money... no admins to answer questions in the forum....

   Posted 17 years ago #
8. 

   CataClyzm
   Member

   So Can we Reinstall it Later on?

   Posted 17 years ago #
9. 

   BillW50
   Member

   It depends CataClyzm.

   1) Full image backup of your HD? Yes!

   2) Backup using a system backup? Most likely!

   3) Wait past today to activate and install? No!

   Posted 17 years ago #
10. 

    phuckhead
    Member

    cataclyzm-if you can figure out how to you can.
    look at the name of this site-> giveaway.

    theog- I feel its the companies job to secure its product. Radio is still a tool for use by people and it is exactly what the net will be like without net nuetrality or tierred net. The danger lies in unfair laws that limit fair use.

    Bill- If that 1 point says that I don't know what I am talking about you need a ton of help that I cannot give you. You should be able to completely remove that gates sentence to see that your full of hot air because my point is still there without the single line your refering to about gates. The overall point I was making is there without the gates sentence so try again.
    or not

    Posted 17 years ago #
11. 

    Ohara
    Member

    Wow!! What a debate-Who knew such fury over free software! Isn't this country great!!
    As a newbie on this forum and recently tripped onto this wonderful website I can see how it can be confusing what is and is not right to do but, As we all have done, we have read the rules of GAOTD and now we have to govern ourselves, no one else will do the job.-Okay now to the reason to the post
    But I didn't know where else to post my question-
    I have a unique problem. I suffer from Mild Brain Injury which gives me very little short term memory. So every thing I do on the computer, downloading, searching, I have to save because most assuredly at the end of that day I may forget that I downloaded it. So if I had to keep everything I download on to my hard drive it would fill up fast. I don't get to the programs right away to see if I or my family needs them or not
    I learned a lesson last month when I excitedly downloaded a program and a game and did not realize I had to activate that day with a key.I guess I should have read the READMETXT I thought you only had to download it.I was planning on doing it the next day.
    Then I had an accident in which I broke my wrist and elbow and was out of commission typing for 8 weeks. By the time I was able to get to them it was too late.
    I read the forum on activation and readme text- it made me feel a little better knowing I was in good company.

    It would be nice for newbies to GAOTD if it would explain in beginners terms the process they need to go through so they will won't be frustrated or bother you nice people with annoying stories and questions.(They don't have a section like that, do they?)
    Now-that I have explained why I am going to ask this question-
    Is there a simple way for me to save the programs I download from GAOTD on to a disk after I activate them and look at them later?
    I hope I don't offend anyone by asking this, but I am stumped!

    Posted 16 years ago #
12. 

    BuBBy
    Teh adnim

    You can install and activate the software on your computer on the giveaway day - then look at them later.

    The only requirement with this sites giveaways is they can only be activated and installed on the date of the giveaway. Attempting to run the activation or install at a later date will not work.

    Posted 16 years ago #
13. 

    Ohara
    Member

    I am sorry if I was misunderstood- I understand that I must download, activate and install on that day. My question was what do I do with it after that?
    Polski8 wrote"I found out that if there is a separate file for activation only, just activate it right away, and you can install or re-install whenever you want. If you want to uninstall and re-install later, just make a registry backup, then uninstall. When you re-install, import your backup to the current registry, and it will re-install just fine. On some of the programs with the activate and setup all in one, I found it changes the executable or dll instead of the registry, so save these somewhere on your computer, also, and when you re-install replace the executable and dlls with the backups. This will save you lots of space on your laptop, or whatever you are using, and make the application sort-of portable.
    But, I don't understand how to do that- Could someone give me simplier instructions on how to what is explained up above?

    Posted 16 years ago #

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