http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807 Giveaway of the Day Forums » Topic: Vista is great,just misunderstood en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:34:07 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-43119 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:32:22 +0000 hotdoge3 43119@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10303&#38;tag=nl.e550" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10303&#38;tag=nl.e550</a> * IT departments are largely ignoring Vista.Let’s look at the five most important reasons why Vista failed.</p> <p>Vista has over 50 million lines of code. XP had 35 million when it was released. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-42592 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:25:37 +0000 hotdoge3 42592@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p><a href="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20080919/hi-im-a-pc-and-i-was-made-on-a-mac/" rel="nofollow">http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20080919/hi-im-a-pc-and-i-was-made-on-a-mac/</a></p> <p>Hi. I’m a PC … and I Was Made on a Mac<br /> <a href="http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/shattered_dreams_and_broken_promises_vistas_failure_launch" rel="nofollow">http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/shattered_dreams_and_broken_promises_vistas_failure_launch</a></p> <p>Exclusive Interview: Microsoft Admits What Went Wrong with Vista, and How They Fixed It </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41548 Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:58:20 +0000 goodgotd 41548@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>yep, the 1600's and the other lower-profile processors- remember the 44xx series of 4 bit 'cpu's'?- (yes, I agree that entering machine code by hand, flipping switches on the front panel, double checking, punching the 'set location and increment address' switch, then repeat till your fingers fell off... even just a bootloader and then starting the paper tape through the teletype 33 well and truly s*cked- and poking and peeking via rom basic wasn't fun- and by then you could actually save and restore from audio tape, ooh! dos was a dream come true in some ways, but I still think vista is a step too far unless you can afford a new computer or have to buy one- and then I'd prefer a downgrade just because I hate being on the bleeding-out-edge.) were the chinese curse kind of fun. I ran into them- painfully- several places. </p> <p>OTOH, I once found a half a ton of prototype commercial kitchen timers at a northern california metal scrap yard- 453 of them- each with 6- 0.3" socketed 7-segment led displays and a socketed 8085 cpu with on-die uveprom. </p> <p>bought the lot for the weight of stainless steel scrap (the cases- $2 a pound- &lt;grin&gt;), then ran them 350 miles down to Mike Quinn's electronic surplus in Oakland and turned them over to Mike (for the cpu's alone- tossed the rest in for his labor pulling the boards out) for a profit after gas of $2.83 each. sweet time.</p> <p>I barely brushed against MP/M, barely got introduced before I ended up running a video arcade and doubling as a soda jerk for several years- I do have an S-100 system with Oasis 8-bit and a 20 meg 8" fujitsu hdd stored here, though. IIRC it's related in places. I rather liked IBM PC-DOS 7 multiuser running remote serial terminals, brought back memories.</p> <p>"Machines, large and small, ran one program at a time"- ohyeah- one *small* program, *slowly*. 4k memory upgrades *hurt*.</p> <p>well, mainframes like the Honeywell 6000 series I trained on the year before the micros showed up (1976, that is- I think it was 24 or 36 bit- the DEC PDP-8L mini in the classroom was 12 bit &#38; I still have the core memory- wish I had that line printer!) sure time-shared like a bandit- for the time. </p> <p>it was right painful porting a BASIC program over to the 8080 micro, making it fit- and then seeing how slooooow it ran.</p> <p>The athlon xp in the other room could kick the H-6000's bits in most categories but power draw... you could run this *town* on the output from the UPS multiple motor-generator sets that kept it on-line.</p> <p>come to think of it, I may still have a video game X-Y monitor that used one of that class cpu to translate the digital input into sweep commands. Armor Attack 19" b-w. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41546 Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:30:00 +0000 Bigun 41546@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>Goodgotd:<br /> You and I have used the exact same of equipment and processors. I think you left one out. That oversight is more likely due to a memory lapse than it is of a lack of experience. That would be the Motorola 1600 . That processor found a home in many household appliances such as clothes dryers and clothes irons. The term "microprocessor" was just starting to be used. A phrase that saw a lot of use was "it must be due to a computer error". For several years "computer error" took the blame for almost any mistake that involved a calculation or vector drawings.</p> <p>I still have several breadboards with a Motorola 1600, Intel 8080, or Intel 8800, plugged into them. Sounds like you might too. Wasn't manually typing machine language or hexadecimal instructions and then using shift registers etc. as the means of moving data through the pathways of a machine fun? You can complain about Vista but it does beat the old days. "The good old days, I hope they never come again.(W.C. Fields)" Machines, large and small, ran one program at a time.</p> <p>I remember a time when operating systems (per se) didn't exist. It was strictly machine language so everybody used the exact same operating system - sort of. Compatibility, or lack of it, was an issue for computers even at that time. I built a nice computer while in high school out of TTL logic chips. I added to and subtracted from that machine for several years. Much of that time was spent trying to interface my computer with my ham radio gear. And, Whiterabbit, I did not have an expensive set up then nor do I have one now. I probably only had $120 to $130 invested in the entire project. Much of my expenditure was for the wire I used to fabricate my antennas. Darn if that thing (computer) didn't have compatibility issues way back then. It was next to impossible to interface TTL with RTL, or DTL logic. RTL was the favorite son and it was being heavily used because of its power handling capabilities. </p> <p>Heidihopes, you mentioned earlier a marketing strategy ........ that was the time when strategies were born. Many business plans went awry and big companies such as IBM, teetered on going out of business. I see today's Microsoft assuming the same place in the market that IBM held while struggling for survival.</p> <p>Goodgotd, there are probably still folks out there that remember CP/M. Besides using CP/M I used an offshoot of CP/M called MP/M (a multiuser CP/M system). I wonder if you are familiar with MP/M? I have never found anyone outside of a small group of friends that I had back then who have even heard of MP/M. Are you an exception to that rule?</p> <p>I hope that those of you that started this thread will return and add more of your interesting experiences to this part of the forum.</p> <p>Bigun </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41535 Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:02:01 +0000 goodgotd 41535@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>got it. thanks! </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41500 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:12:44 +0000 copmom 41500@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>Thank you goody.. by the way, sent you an email! </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41488 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:03:45 +0000 goodgotd 41488@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>good news, but the p-II and mobo offer stays open. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41478 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:17:51 +0000 copmom 41478@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>Just reporting in! <strong>ALL IS WELL</strong>! Got the new program set up on the new XP computer and set up all our files within the program, and viola! It works, our printer works, (did have to get an adaptor at Radio Shack so the printers parallel plug would plug into a USB port), but, we are now up and running once again! Ta daaaaaaaaa!</p> <p>Thanks for all the offers trying to help me out! You've all been great! If we had gone the old win98 route on an older machine I would just be putting off the inevitable and then still have to convert at a later date when that machine went out. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41452 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:24:02 +0000 LeKanaw 41452@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>Bonsoir Lauri :*)</p> <p>Phiewww, found you finally!!<br /> Been looking for this post, didn't think of looking on the Vista thread!</p> <p>Yap, the stars are not aligned in the right direction!!<br /> Darn indeed ...</p> <p>Don't know what to say ...<br /> But the offer still stands, my friend!!!!<br /> Say the word I'll send you that <em>"Thingy</em>"!! You need it more than I do!</p> <p>Plus, I can hold your hand, cause this unending succession of problems must be messing w your nerves!!</p> <p>I'll be out tomorrow till late.<br /> Talk to you folks Friday </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41429 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:28:04 +0000 copmom 41429@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>Well guess what! Now I'm getting really confused. First I tried installing Norton Ghost.. didn't work! Second I was using Acronis True Image last night, and was going to make a 'copy' of my current HD.. well, it erased my F: drive, and it disappeared! Had to go to My computer to get that back again, so now it's blank. But, when it was going to copy, noticed it would make my F: drive into another C: and to remove current C: drive. I didn't want to have 2 C: drives here.. that wouldn't work! I guess that's so I could pop my new C: drive into the new computer to make it the same as this one. But wouldn't that mess up the new machines system settings.. like drivers, etc.???<br /> NOW today's email I get a notice that our old label program (that will ONLY work on Win95/98) is now offered by Avanquest (used to be My Software), for 98, XP, Vista, etc., and I had called them to see if there was an update for XP just last week and was told NO! I think I'll go back to bed and wake up again to start this day all over again! </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41412 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:33:54 +0000 goodgotd 41412@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>you should be able to access the data on the drive hooking into one of the legacy pata ports. expect it to change your drive letters. in odd ways sometimes. usually 2 legacy pata, each can handle 2 drives, unlike sata.</p> <p>if you try to boot it in another machine (like unplugging the sata drive so it's the only drive seen) expect to need to supply a metric buttload of drivers and reboot a bunch of times, make sure to get win98 drivers for all the new hardware first, too.</p> <p>been there done that, it's a pain. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41408 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:25:05 +0000 suzzyqz 41408@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>copmom..most newer computers have slots for sata and IDE..are you sure there aren't a couple of slots? Mine has 5 sata &#38; 2 (or 3 I forget at the moment) IDE slots. You can use both in the computer.. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41407 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:11:11 +0000 copmom 41407@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>goody.. always use the vacuum at least once a month on the insides. He didn't make it up today .. said tomorrow. First he's having his daughter get anything off the HD that he's removing from theirs so she can have her stuff on her laptop. Also, my friend just brought me a copy of Norton Ghost V14.0 which I can make good use of! </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41401 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:01:59 +0000 goodgotd 41401@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>make sure to blast/vacuum all the dust off the mobo around the cpu and memory and reseat the cpu and memory. ditto the p/s and make sure that fan's running.</p> <p>that is a slot 1 P-II (long boxy cpu with the heat sink on the side), right? </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41393 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:09:45 +0000 copmom 41393@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>goody.. thanks for the offer! Just might need to take you up on it! The old machine "was" up and running Saturday until yesterday AM! Now whenever I click on any program (and there's hardly anything installed on it), I just get the dreaded blue screen 'fatal exception 06' and some numbers, and/or 'system busy or unstable'. So, I guess it was more than just the fan that's wrong with it! Originally I thought I could just take the HD out of it and pop it into the new machine (if needed), but oldie is IDE and new one is SATA.. so that won't work! My tech guy is coming back up today to see if he can help but at this point we are dead in the water! </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41371 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:49:59 +0000 goodgotd 41371@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>just remember the offer of a p-2 333 board and cpu is open too- got a pair of them sitting around... </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807/page/2#post-41307 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:27:50 +0000 copmom 41307@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>Good morning all.<br /> my_name_is_ : Creating a backup image of the XP install on the new machine?<br /> As for the XP install.. that's one thing I do, when I get a new machine is request they send me all the installation disks which they did.</p> <p>Thank you <strong>VERY</strong> much for that link! It does explain how to do the dual boot in simple terms that even I can follow!! LOL That just might be the way to go.. keep the new machine set for dual boot as the back up for the old one in case it really does die! </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41297 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:09:32 +0000 my_name_is_brad 41297@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>glad you got it working. Just for reference, did you try creating a backup image of your XP install, then wiping the drive, installing 98 as the primary OS? After that it shouldn't be too much trouble to create a partition then restore your disk image on that as a secondary OS.</p> <p>a workaround is here <a href="http://www.blurtit.com/q174693.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.blurtit.com/q174693.html</a></p> <p>basically it involves installing 98 on a partition, then using the XP recovery to "trick" the computer into seeing it as a second install if it didn't work.</p> <p>Of course, you have it working, but figure that may be a decent reference to have here since the question was asked. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41293 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:59:29 +0000 copmom 41293@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>Goody.... I did try the compatibility mode as you suggested, and that didn't work either. But.. good news! Our tech came up this afternoon, he said our power supply was fine, and replaced the fan with a large one and that solved the whole problem! The teensy one that was in there wasn't even running at all, causing it to heat up and kept shutting us down! SO.. the old Pentium II with Win98 on it (from 1996)IS up and running, thank God! We didn't realize just how much stress this was causing us not being able to do our work until it was fixed. We are NOT used to stress.. we're too OLD for stress! LOL<br /> And.. now that the old one IS up and running, I now have a brand new Dell computer that's only 1 week old and don't need it! Bwah! I don't think I can send it back if there's nothing wrong with it. Then again, if I get rid of the 233, there's an empty workstation to put this new one on, and can have this as a back up? Never can have enough back ups! </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41286 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:51:44 +0000 goodgotd 41286@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>I have a couple p-II boards (333's) laying around... </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41284 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:00:19 +0000 copmom 41284@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>Gee goody.. no I didn't even think to try the compatibility mode! Will try that right now! Thanks.. will report back if that works! I do have my techy friend coming up here early afternoon today to see if he can fix that old Pentium II that has Win98 on it. He thinks it might just be the power supply! If not.. errrrrrrr. He was the tech for the computer store we had here in town for years until they went out of business. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41273 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:21:48 +0000 goodgotd 41273@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>well,I know how to go the other way, but win98 adter xp is a stumper, I dunno if it'll recognize xp properly. installing xp as dual boot after win98 you just tell it not to mess with what's there. I'll poke around.</p> <p>the printer, try generic epson 9-pin or 24 pin- should work. and have you tried that program in win98 compatibility mode? </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41267 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:05:59 +0000 copmom 41267@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>How about the Tandy, and the Apple IIE? And 233, 486, 733, etc. Been there, done that. Now.. since you're both so technical.. how can I make my XP sp2 be a dual boot so I can just use win98 in case that older machine cannot be fixed?? We really need that one program on win98 to continue running our business!!!!!!! If you have any 'how to' links, send 'em on puleeze?? There are NO replacement's or upgrades for that one program and the others that do similar things are all geared to XP, which also won't work with our old Epson LQ850 dot matrix printer (which has NO updated drivers). Halp! </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41231 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:28:19 +0000 my_name_is_brad 41231@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>2k was released towards the start of 2000, and XP around 2001. both used ntfs. NT uses NTFS as well, but the version used in XP(5.0) is the same as the one in 2k. That is why I didn't mention the one shipped with the original NT release.</p> <p>Yes XP uses the NT kernel, but the interface was largely catered to the home user and therefore made adaptable from 98, as well as including the drivers and bloatware that NT/2000 initially excluded. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41230 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:59:27 +0000 goodgotd 41230@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>&lt;blink&gt; I think I'll let others take over for a while- you seem to have lived a wildly divergent timeline than I did. NT introduced NTFS in mine, 2k changed it. XP used nothing from 98, just emulated it better. </p> <p>and I paid 36 bucks a meg for SIMM memory, plus 2 bucks each for SIMM sockets to adapt them to my SIPP-only motherboard. 152 clams, plus ca sales tax for 70ns dram.</p> <p>anybody else want to chime in and tell me if I jumped history lines, and how far back? </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41229 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:54:13 +0000 my_name_is_brad 41229@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>yes...Nt did encorporate several parts of NT/2000 into it. It, quite successfully, merged the MS business OS (NT) with the home user OS (98). There were some crossovers, but XP was largely based on 98.....2000 was still quite different.</p> <p>Vista does use ntfs (introduced with 2k), although a slightly newer version. the difference is mainly in how it logs requests/calls as far as I can tell.</p> <p>While Vista is largely built on XP, it is much the same way 95 was built on 3.11. There were several aspects redone, and a few more administrative features added. Sure the basis is there, but the technology and "eye candy" eats up cpu cycles and RAM.</p> <p>Vista is far from perfect, but so was XP. Every version of Windows has been. What works for you works for you. That's how it should be. I just feel so many people are bagging on Vista without even really trying it out fairly.</p> <p>Granted, there are people like stephen and yourself that have tried and have valid reasons for dropping back. That's good. I just am offering the other POV;)</p> <p>The default settings on Vista are absolute poop, and set for people that have no computer knowledge whatsoever. Next time you're on a Vista machine, take a look through the unnecessary services.</p> <p>As far as the hardware issues.....like I mentioned above, there are MANY hardware manufacturers that were late with appropriate drivers, and some that jumped the gun. Yes Vista requires more processing power, more RAM, and sometimes upgraded graphics. That's just how OS creation goes. Mostly what would require disabling for older hardware is for performance, and not necessarily to get it to run. Graphically XP wasn't that far off 98 (or even 2k), so there was very little change required in that area.</p> <p>Vista eats up CPU. It requires more RAM. It has many features I don't need. It's not bad though.</p> <p>lol and yes i remember paying through the nose for 4 megs of ram too....upwards of $80 </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41226 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:35:11 +0000 goodgotd 41226@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>oops- forgot oasis 8-bit timesharing multiuser. </p> <p>personal hardware ran the gamut too- s-100 8080-z80, pc 8086-286-386-486-k6-k6/2-pentium-p2-p3-athlon-athlon xp. I had a 186 but it was in a dedicated process box- though dragon's lair 2 ran a 186 pc compatible controller. if I include games I can include the 68000 series, cyrix cpu's etc.</p> <p>god, the price I paid for 4 megs of extra ram to run os/2 better on a 386 still makes me wince. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41225 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:57:05 +0000 goodgotd 41225@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>I've been in the game since before cp/m, (mainframe 1977, imsai 8080 assembler and z-80 ms basic 1978) ran cp/m 2.2- 2.2 enhanced- dos- (5 up to the end of 6, plus drdos 6 and ibm pcdos 7) msdos/win 3.0- 3.1- 3.11- os/2 2.0 through warp- up to win2k. </p> <p>correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't xp is based on win2k's core code- and not at all on 95/98/me? </p> <p>the 9x branch has a dos base, 2k+ doesn't, only emulates it for the commanmd line. </p> <p>that's what I've gathered from documentation and many sites giving advice and help- 2k and xp share many issues and solutions. </p> <p>and vista is built on xp, though not as much directly codewise?</p> <p>also, the only member of the nt/2k/xp/vista branch that can't read the current ntfs file system- is nt, correct?</p> <p>my point still stands- if my hardware requires me to disable part of an os- even just eye candy- I feel it's more sensible to drop back to an os that can run at full functionality.</p> <p>as for "The problem though is mostly drivers, and not the hardware", why are people still ranting about getting rooked into hardware that's underpowered for vista under that approval? </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41223 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:38:32 +0000 my_name_is_brad 41223@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>good...that's because 2000 was an upgrade from NT, which is different from 98/xp/vista.</p> <p>and i too run a dual boot with 98 just for certain software like dvd burns. It is quicker. It loads fewer drivers, and runs screamingly fast on newer systems. </p> http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/3807#post-41222 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:32:25 +0000 goodgotd 41222@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ <p>All my machines still dual-boot win98se- it's more reliable at burning dvd's and some niche older software, plus gives me a platform to diagnose change-file problems in 2000, without the limits (or admittedly, the advantages) of the ultimate boot cd or hiram's. </p> <p>never have quite found a way to not need it. </p>