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Giveaway of the Day Forums » Tag: morpher - Recent Posts http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/tags/morpher Giveaway of the Day Forums » Tag: morpher - Recent Posts en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:22:24 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 Inas on "AV Webcam Morpher" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/10407#post-95190 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:06:08 +0000 Inas 95190@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Have not yet had a chance to try all features (if they're included) but I am sure the program registered and activated fine. That's all I can say for now. harpo2448 on "AV Webcam Morpher" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/10407#post-95178 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 05:38:38 +0000 harpo2448 95178@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Oh, another detail: I read the alternate FAQs which mentioned the "Protection Number": 2-1. What is the Protection Number? Where can I find it? Protection Number is a security number unique on each computer. Once you have bought a license of AV Webcam Morpher, Protection Number is combined with your registered name and email address to generate a key for you to install the Full Version. Therefore, it is essential that your Protection Number be provided correctly so that the Serial Number can be accepted upon installation. You can find the Protection Number of your computer by downloading and running the “vcs_protection_number.exe” file, which is downloadable at <a href="http://www.audio4fun.com/download/vcs_protection_number.exe" rel="nofollow">http://www.audio4fun.com/download/vcs_protection_number.exe</a> ...so I downloaded that utility, ran it, and the "Protection Number" displayed matched that displayed in the AV Webcam Morpher "Help" "About" box (along with my "Name" & the "License number" they supplied. It SEEMS properly registered, so why no PRO feature set? harpo2448 on "AV Webcam Morpher" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/10407#post-95177 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 04:43:35 +0000 harpo2448 95177@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Did anyone who installed this title (as the GAOTD offer of 10-SEP-2011) confirm that after activation/registration they got all the "PRO" (versus "free" version) features to work according to this table? <a href="http://www.audio4fun.com/compare-webcam-morpher.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.audio4fun.com/compare-webcam-morpher.htm</a> That is, were you able to download extra Nickfaces or Nickvoices and get more than 6 of either one working (beyond the limit of 6 of the free version), including a "camera size" that you could change to be different than the default of 320 x 240, etc. I still don't understand why my installed copy does not implement the "PRO" features despite showing that it is supposedly-activated/registered. harpo2448 on "AV Webcam Morpher" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/10407#post-95026 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:35:54 +0000 harpo2448 95026@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Thanks for the info, but my issue is not that the nickfaces don't work. They do on my XP MCE system. My issue is that in spite of a smooth install and seemingly being registered per the instructions (including restarting the system), I am not getting all the "PRO" set of features to work -- it is working in a limited way more like the free version. I posted a note about this to the audio4fun.com folks on their technical support page a couple of days ago, but as yet have not heard back from them in spite of their statement to get in touch within 24 hours. Maybe it's due to being over the weekend, or because it's because I'm a GAOTD "customer" (entitled to no technical support), although I would think they'd want to clear up their activation procedures if others besides me are similarly affected. I noted that on the day of the offer my comments concerning my activation issues which I had been submitting were not being posted. Only the first three hours of comments had appeared by day's end. Just one of mine finally appeared when, the minute after the offer was over, many other user's comments suddenly appeared. I suspect many extra comments were deleted, and I suspect they were relating similar problems to mine in getting the full set of features to work without limits. mikiem2 on "AV Webcam Morpher" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/10407#post-95022 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:42:29 +0000 mikiem2 95022@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Don't know if this help or not... AV Webcam Morpher, while updated to work in Vista/7, may not work as well with some of the more recent BDA drivers & Direct Show filters used with TV tuners, webcams etc. IOW stuff that doesn't work, like some of the audio FX, may be fully enabled but just won't work with the hardware you're using. As far as the activation -- only the name & the code you received via e-mail are stored in the registry. When it comes to using Nickfaces, those packs are simply .wmv video clips with a single .xml file spelling out configuration details. You could edit the xml file, but changing the fps or frame size won't change the clip itself so it would be pointless -- the clips are what they are, & the only way to change that would be to re-sample/re-render them, then look at the xml file. Replacement backgrounds are just regular images, nothing special, & you can adjust the chroma keying a bit clicking the Settings button -- the color used for that chroma keying, & if in fact you can use a set of clips with background replacement is spelled out in that xml file. For Blue or Green screen work [background replacement] you normally want to be pretty precise re: those colors -- you can buy the paint pre-mixed, buy sheets of material, & for stuff like webcam work I've seen setups where they used something identical to the old folding projection screens, only you pulled a green screen out of the window shade sort of housing rather than a projection screen. I've also seen light stands used supporting some sort of bar or even a broomstick & green screen material held to that with all sorts of clips or duct tape, whatever was handy. You generally do want to be sure to light that Blue or Green screen backdrop with a color balanced light, usually behind & below the person on camera to avoid shadows that will alter the color, & thus the quality of chroma keying -- when you have to increase tolerance to select the entire backdrop [because of uneven lighting etc.] you start picking up parts of the person on camera, & you can see that happening with the clips [Nickfaces] I tried, though in fairness part of that was because of the lower quality, more highly compressed wmv clips. harpo2448 on "AV Webcam Morpher" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/10407#post-95010 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:55:59 +0000 harpo2448 95010@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ I have a question about the activation. I got the same result on two different machines using two different variations of my name and e-mail. Although I entered the info returned by the website registration page, and the "About" page of the program itself shows it as registered, I seem to NOT have full functionality of the program (please see my comment #58 towards the end of the original offer page): <a href="http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/av-webcam-morpher-2-0/" rel="nofollow">http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/av-webcam-morpher-2-0/</a> It behaves more like the free version as outlined on their feature-comparison page: <a href="http://www.audio4fun.com/compare-webcam-morpher.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.audio4fun.com/compare-webcam-morpher.htm</a> Also, I noticed that during the initial step of the install, scrolling to the bottom of the first long page of "readme" text, there was a unique number for my machine's installation as follows (I deleted my own unique number from showing here): Protection Number : ******* You will need the above protection number for full version activation and for future Upgrades. This is for your and for our protection! Did anyone find a place to use this number (if actually needed) to achieve full product functionality? It would be great if this would indeed use all the Nickfaces I downloaded and attempted to use (beyond the initial 6 that actually worked, as mentioned in that other comment of mine on the offer page). hotdoge3 on "AV Webcam Morpher" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/10407#post-94995 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:43:00 +0000 hotdoge3 94995@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ # 11,# 18,Q,Is this the Free or Pro version ??? A,not say may be it the free one ??? Whiterabbit-uk on "AV Webcam Morpher" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/10407#post-94976 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:09:01 +0000 Whiterabbit-uk 94976@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Thanks for the in depth thoughs on this software Mike mikiem2 on "AV Webcam Morpher" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/10407#post-94974 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:35:58 +0000 mikiem2 94974@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ TO be honest I was going to skip this one, since seen through the lens of the nightly news I was a bit bothered by what someone might try to do with it. But then I read Whiterabbit's comment about how he thought it could be fun, & dove in thinking that AV Webcam Morpher doesn't have to be used for bad purposes, but rather the opposite. It took a little while as I puzzled over why their chroma keying didn't work with the included Helen video clips [that's in the pack's xml file] and so on, but FWIW this is what I came up with & posted to the Coments, though I doubt very much it'll show up this weekend. ---------- I think it might be easier to start with what AV Webcam Morpher is not... It's not a full fledged Green/Blue screen app. You've probably seen TV shows, "Making Of ..." features for whatever movies etc. where they film in front of a background that's all green or blue. Software then selects everything that matches that green or blue, & replaces it with whatever you choose -- when you watch the weather on TV the weather person is normally standing in front of a green screen, & software puts the weather map in its place [that's why the person's movements are often a bit vague, because they're not really pointing at something they can see, but glancing at themselves in a TV monitor]. AV Webcam Morpher doesn't do motion Avatars based on your image as seen by the camera -- there is software that will, varying in sophistication from cartoonish to almost a bit scary real. Lots of the latest apps/research focus on Microsoft's Kinect, since it can distinguish you from the background so you don't have to set up a special backdrop &/or have to deal with Color or Chroma Keying issues. What AV Webcam Morpher does is 1) provides special audio/video FX, 2) lets you use prerecorded video clips, & 3) provides some limited Chroma Key features so you can use a replacement background image. If you download extra video clips [they call them Nickfaces] with a blue/purple background, AV Webcam Morpher will replace the background with whatever image you've chosen -- 5 are included or load your own image. Replacement video can work with background replacement in AV Webcam Morpher, but it would be difficult -- you can mimic/replace an existing clip package, but there's no easy way to set the background color you want to drop out if using live video. And while there are controls available under Settings, this isn't by any means a great Chroma Keying app. You might think the video FX are neat, especially if you're using your webcam for something beyond regular video chat etc., but the area that got the most work in AV Webcam Morpher is using canned video clips rather than anything coming from your webcam. Downloadable as packages with an .xml file listing background color key settings, which clips to use & their behaviors, you activate one of these Nickfaces, then click an one of several icons in another window as you feel appropriate -- clicking the dance icon for example brings up one of a few brief clips showing the actor dancing in their chair, then goes back to the main video loop. Obviously this works better with lower bandwidth, 320 X 240, lower fps video -- the worse the video looks, the less likely anyone is to notice the transitions from one clip to the next, artifacting from background replacement etc. Installation isn't bad for AV Webcam Morpher itself, but the optional Virtual Webcam driver is a different story -- besides the potential compatibility issues whenever you add a driver, I recorded ~1k new registry entries, plus several changed entries having to do with networking... while I don't see any definite problems you'd probably want to do some sort of backup first, then check out networking & related apps afterward. AV Webcam Morpher uses VFW [Video For Windows], Direct Show, & D3D, but I suspect it won't work with some more recent webcams & their BDA drivers, especially in win7. The "AV WebCam Morpher" program folder holds 258 files, 44 folders, ~28 MB, plus you get a new Avnex folder under User App/Application Data. Included in the roughly 30 new registry entries is a WebCamHelper service. Adding the driver as mentioned results in about 1k new entries, many having to do with video in Windows rather than the driver itself, & while adding the driver adds just one file, I recorded a baker's dozen worth of new Windows video handling files, with another 9 being updated. Watching TV I'm used to seeing "Viewer Discretion Advised", & I think that discretion part sums up how I feel personally about AV Webcam Morpher... I'm so conditioned by the news to think of only the nastiest uses for something like this, that it took Whiterabbit's comment about playing gags on friends to see it might have any worth at all. I can't help it, can't shake my 1st impression though, so I'd definitely put this dual use app in the to be used properly category where it might be a fun toy. I'm afraid before I spent any money on it though I'd want to look at all the other apps that are currently available... There is some really nice blue or green screen stuff out, Logitech for example offers free avatar software that works with some of its webcams using face tracking, schools & individuals have been experimenting for some time mapping facial movements to 3D heads, & since Microsoft opened up the SDK for the Kinect, all sorts of stuff happening there -- here's a quick Microsoft video [may want to jump to ~1:30]: <a href="http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/emerging-tech/2011/02/23/microsoft-shows-off-3d-talking-head-avatars-40091906/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/emerging-tech/2011/02/23/microsoft-shows-off-3d-talking-head-avatars-40091906/</a> Keilaron on "Morpheus Photo Morpher NOT TRUE GOTD" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1299#post-7879 Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:54:34 +0000 Keilaron 7879@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Maz, that wasn't for the users, that was for GotD. It seems to me their responsibility to do such testing. MPeg4 on "Morpheus Photo Morpher NOT TRUE GOTD" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1299#post-7852 Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:17:50 +0000 MPeg4 7852@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ I use Sandboxie for testing. It keeps everything in the sandbox while the program is tested and when it is deleted from the sandbox, everything is gone. I can then install outside the sandbox and know what I am getting. Sandboxie is free, but after the 1st 30 days, they ask,each time you open it, to consider supporting it. You then click the OK button and it continues to open. Whether you support it or not, it continues to work. Also, makes a safe way to browse without junk being installed to your computer without your knowledge. It can be found at <a href="http://www.sandboxie.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sandboxie.com</a> I have no connection with this program at all, but am just a happy user. alexiussg on "Morpheus Photo Morpher NOT TRUE GOTD" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1299#post-7848 Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:40:20 +0000 alexiussg 7848@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ well, GAOTD could do some search on the software via the internet before it is going to be featured on their website... maz on "Morpheus Photo Morpher NOT TRUE GOTD" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1299#post-7842 Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:42:02 +0000 maz 7842@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Keilaron, Unfortunately, I suspect most of us haven't got expendable computers just to try stuff on. Most of us use one machine, which we rely on, so we don't want to risk messing it up and giving ourselves headaches by downloading programs which are falsely advertised as 100% adware and spyware free. I'm sorry GOTD doesn't seem to realise this, and hasn't bothered to acknowledge the concerns expressed about this subject. Keilaron on "Morpheus Photo Morpher NOT TRUE GOTD" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1299#post-7795 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:28:51 +0000 Keilaron 7795@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Well, what I usually suggest to people running such sites as GotD is to have one or more "honey pot" computers on which to test software. Having a spare system for such things is useful as it doesn't have to be connected to anything, it's results would be fairly accurate*, and one could easily use imaging software to restore it after testing (or use a system like DeepFreeze, which would be easier as the system's anti-virus software (and the like) could easily be kept up to date). * Honey pot systems are not supposed to be used at all except the testing; In other words, no daily usage and the like, unless that's what's being tested. BuBBy on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/3#post-7699 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 07:05:50 +0000 BuBBy 7699@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Hempman - "Silence is proof in itself of collusion" I'd love to see the dodgy logic that supports that conclusion. Also I have just run the setup on a clean system (and to test, installed everything including Snap and Dealio) then ran Spybot S&D with the latest signatures - and I didn't see any BlackCore trojan... I suspect that trojan was a resident on your hard disk before you installed Morpheus. To my knowledge you are the only user who also "got" BlackCore. The rest of what you say, I agree with. GOTD should've "pulled" the giveaway as soon as they were aware that Morpheus was bundled with Adware. Packaging a third party toolbar (or even two of them) with a program - is not the way to make users want to purchase your product. It was not included to assist or support the trial or use of the product. But this is going nowhere at all. I am closing this thread - as there have been no posts that I have seen that move this any closer to resolution. If the admins feel they should comment - they can reopen this. In the meantime, we wait hoping it doesn't repeat in the future. Hempman on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/3#post-7694 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 04:17:07 +0000 Hempman 7694@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ 100% NO SPYWARE 100% NO ADWARE - that does not equal "Spyware/adware included but you'll have to be vigilant and click on things to not get trtashed. Also, service.exe is included, as well as a trojan (Spybot found it) called BlackCore. Yes, Morpheus will be branded. But, so will Giveawayoftheday - Not only for allowing adware in clear violation of htier own policy, but also other malware AND a trojan. GOTD will also be branded for allowing false advertising - almost nothing of the advertised functions of Morpheus were available. That is partly the fault of the Morpheus publishers, but ultimately the reponsibility lays squarely with GOTD for allowing it to go on ALL DAY LONG. As soon as the malware was known, the download should have been pulled. GOTD will also pay (and from the numbers I am watching today already is) with fewer visits, fewer downloads and a permanent question in everyone's mind - When will GOTD allow something like this to happen again, and next time, will it be even worse? There is no shirking responsibility, GOTD is ultimately responsible for allowing Morpheus to post adware/spyware AND a trojan, as well as falsely advertising the capabilities of the software offering. The fact that GOTD has not made ANY official statement will only exacerbate the impact, since thier complete silence is proof in itself of collusion with Morpheus' evil actions. Jucati on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/3#post-7689 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:35:30 +0000 Jucati 7689@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ playboy85 - try changing your username? I would not be surprised if a spam feature catches and rejects a username that is similar to the title of an adult magazine. BuBBy on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/3#post-7684 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:59:19 +0000 BuBBy 7684@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ "Do the people running this 2nd rate site think they are eBay? Lets ban those who speak ill therefore no one will know we suck..." Were your comments about the giveaway program or about GOTD ? playboy85 on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7674 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:05:40 +0000 playboy85 7674@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ I also am seeing my comments regarding software not getting posted or getting removed too. I once posted that I did not like a particular software program and my comments since usually do not get posted or are promptly removed, even if they are positive comments. Like I was banned from posting. Childish on GOTD's part. Today, several people on the game giveaway were having issues with the game. I wrote a step by step post on how to "fix" the issue. GOTD never did allow the comment to be posted. I once wrote I didn;t like a program so now they ASS U ME all my comments are bad for their image? Do the people running this 2nd rate site think they are eBay? Lets ban those who speak ill therefore no one will know we suck... I am done with GOTD. Childish, nothing more and nothing less. oddly on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7672 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:05:41 +0000 oddly 7672@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ When something is advertised as "100% clean. No adware. No Spyware.", then that is what I expect to receive. I don't find "just go ahead and download the adware and then choose not to install it" listed on the program download. If that is going to be the new business model of this site then please state so on the front page in place of 100% clean. Archangel on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7670 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:29:17 +0000 Archangel 7670@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Lee I read your post and yes, everyone should read the agreement and also choose what they want to install but thats not the point. What was advertised (so to speak) was the software with no mention of the additional toolbars. Another member even pointed out what GOTD states about all software that is posted on this site to download. Don't you think that really the additional software (toolbars haha) should have been listed as a plus? After all they were getting more free stuff. (hehehe) Really though, its not funny and I shouldn't make light of it but I can see everyones frustrations. Its a trust issue as some has described it. I hope that we all take a closer look before installing software that doesn't come straight from the site vendor. kalelin38 on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7669 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:13:28 +0000 kalelin38 7669@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Lee, It was found out by another member that there is a new spyware that is in the codes that you can't op out of, and on antivirus with the newest updates is catching it as it is a new version of spyware not seen before. Several other members have confirmed this. Lee on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7668 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:00:24 +0000 Lee 7668@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ I will repeat what I wrote already again. You have a choice to install 'so called adaware or spyware or both'. You don't have to install the spywares. You get a choice not to install them also by checking or unchecking the radio buttons in each agreement. Whilst you are connecting to the net and surfing, your i.s.p. records what you do, do you moan about that? Archangel on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7666 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:49:33 +0000 Archangel 7666@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ I'm not taking GOTD's side but somebody could have got to relaxed. One malware that was included in the package is brand new so update your antivirus software. I didn't detect it until this morning. But..........that doesn't excuse the 2 toolbars. Oh I know why they were there but the developers shouldn't have included them in the setup. kalelin38 on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7665 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:44:43 +0000 kalelin38 7665@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Since GOTD is locking people of the the for bringing this spyware issue up it sounds like they are in the boat with the developers on this. Guess the decided they needed more revenue by allowing software with spyware attached. BuBBy on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7657 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:11:25 +0000 BuBBy 7657@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ "I was also locked out of the forums until today. I for one am deleting GAOTD bookmarks and removing the GAOTD links from my website." Thanks bswarm. Appreciate you letting us know. I'm suprised you were "locked out of the forums". At least they let you back so you could tell us about it. (They are nice like that). All the other people who complain are still locked out. ;) Do you want to leave a forwarding address, so that when they ask where you went, I can tell them? bswarm on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7653 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:33:38 +0000 bswarm 7653@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ What is GAOTD's official response to all the complaints? Silence from GAOTD and Morpheus seems to support wrongdoing as far as I'm concerned. I tried several times to post my comments and every one was deleted. I was also locked out of the forums until today. I for one am deleting GAOTD bookmarks and removing the GAOTD links from my website. This was not the only time I found suspicious activity from software offered by GAOTD, but it is certainly the last time. hamstergirl on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7629 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:26:06 +0000 hamstergirl 7629@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ okay, the hamster wants to weigh in. Even tho we know the world in not a nice place, most of us would like to think that things and people can be trusted to be whatever it is they appear or declare themselves to be. And sometimes we were right to trust, and others.....well, we all know how this sentence ends :)! Even tho GOTD is a business, not a charity or Santa Clause, they always, at least to me, presented themselves as being as the side of the little guys, developers and, uh, us (customers just doesn't seem to fit). It was suppossed to be a win win situation for everybody. Of course problems are going to happen, thats a given. and in the past, GOTD seamed to go out of their way to make things right. That no longer seems to be the case. I find their silence in all this, speaks volumes - why has no one from the company said anything. I can't believe they did not know this about the adware. It doesn't matter if you believe some of us are overreacting and our complaints are unwarranted, the PTB (thank you for that BigThunder1)had to know what the reaction would be. now we have to add in the censorship. Check my posts in the comments section from yesterday., #55 and #127. Hey, i'm the first to admit i may be wrong,but it seems as though once my first post was read, someone went and changed the tag reference. Here is an excerpt from #55: BTW, in the freeware library, run a search using morph as a tag.You’ll find several items of interest with relevance to today’s giveaway that are almost as funny as they are ironic. and #127: however, i tried running a search in the library again using morph as a tag and guess what? the programs that it listed before are no longer coming up in that category! Try using morpheus as a tag, however, and you will find two progs - Malware Scanner and Ad Striker - that both refer to removing adware/spyware from Morpheus. Now i realize that the program being referred to as Morpheus is not connected to the developers of todays giveaway, but given todays issues, it was very funny to see it in print and funnier still that the tag reference has been changed… And now i see where Swan's thread has been closed. WTF? Its been pointed out that when you write a letter to the editor that you aren't guaranteed that it will be printed. True, but this isn't an editorial page. My understanding of a forum is where you post a topic or question relevant to that particular forum, and those who wish to do so, give you their input. Simple. Its not supposed to be only the replies someone thinks you SHOULD see, or wants you to see - thats what parents are for. If we follow the basic guidelines of this forum, our posts should go thru unaltered and kept open for a reasonable time. Period. So do we go back to being trustful creatures? It seems like some of the shiny stuff is starting to rub off of GOTD's star. They need to realize that without us, this site won't work and they need to repair the damage done. I am sure there are other's like myself who come here looking to see what has been written by some of our communities' more knowledgeable and vocal memebers - yet these seem to be the people who are being singled out for censorship. Bad GOTD - no cookie. So, to all the people who have contributed to this thread - just keep on doin' whatcha been doin'. Some of us will love ya for it! The hamster has weighed in. hopefully she has not been found wanting. Cheers, Hamstergirl kalelin38 on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7620 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:28:42 +0000 kalelin38 7620@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Thing I'm most disappointed about it that nobody for GOTD has yet to remark on this subject to calm things down and explain what happened. They usually stick there head thru the door to see what's going on but haven't show up for almost two days now. BigThunder1 on "Morpheus Photo Morpher -> ADWARE!" http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/topic/1297/page/2#post-7605 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:35:08 +0000 BigThunder1 7605@http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/forums/ Hey BuBBy, :) Once again brother, it's word play and communication. We're all guilty of assuming at times, and I know your just doing what your here to do as a moderator, and doing a great job I might add. I've had my own msg boards at one time and know the hassle you go through as a moderator. Aren't you glad your not the Admin right now?! ...LOL! Anyway, sometimes it's better to let the fire burn down a bit before stirring the coals so-to-speak. My point is that I along with others were quite upset with the apparent pattern related to posting comments on the main page. Although I and some others tend to be outspoken at times, I think it's fair to say that most of us are wise enough to expect some portions of our comments to possibly be 'snipped' at times, as a term you and Lee have chosen to portray/communicate the act of editing a comment/thread (good choice of word description I think btw). That's what moderation is all about and why it's necessary. Not to ban, ignore, or single out certain individuals for giving the very feedback that is requested and necessary for improvement of the product offering and denying them a voice. As I said, if they can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen! Developers/vendors are offering their wares here as a test bed and promotional event to understand why their product isn't moving so well, or to simply get recognition. Wouldn't you as a developer/vendor want to know the bad with the good, be it your product, or the way it's presented? Yesterday was a perfect example of what people will not except. And if 'Morpheus Software' has any smarts, they'll take the hint and dump the extras. I don't think it's their product in question here, it's their greedy deceptive marketing attitude that's unacceptable, and the community at large made that point loud and clear. And as I stated previously, I don't expect to get front page all the time day after day, and I don't honestly think most others do either. But when my comments are no better or worse than the others posted and there becomes an apparent consistent pattern of them being ignored or deleted, one gets to feeling singled out when in comparison to other comments that are of a similar nature to your own or worse getting posted. A hit and mis is to be expected, but a consistent pattern becomes personal. I don't make a habit of cursing in my comments, but I don't sugar coat them either. The problem seems to be GOTD not installing/testing and reviewing offerings before they are posted here to insure they meet the quality and standards set by the GOTD team/PTB themselves. If I didn't care about others and what this site is all about, I'd just go on my merry way and not look back. I like others could go and spread the good and the bad as some do about this site and what's offered, but I'd like to see it grow and the bugs worked out. Rather than blast them to the world, I'd rather place them where they might do some good all the way around, and that's here at the source. You said... Just guessing here - maybe comments are not being displayed because the comments should be in the forums. "Please comment only the software here. If you have technical problems or suggestions on our project, please leave us a note in our forums." Many comments probably come under the category of "suggestions on our project" or "technical problems". ...and how right you are. To be reminded of what we already know about policy via your second statement got under my skin a bit under the circumstances and the nature of the complaint. The software and/or developer of said software is what I comment about on the front page (as do I think the majority of other commenters in this thread do, although I'm guilty of following the crowd a time or two with off topic comments), and therefor to be reminded of stated policy was a mute point IMHO. Can't speak for others in that regard. Hindsight..., maybe others did need reminded, but I just didn't see it within yesterdays conversation. I think all participants in this thread are aware of what's exceptable there and what isn't, yet I question weather the front page moderators understand what is and isn't acceptable there. Your other two comments were right on target and food for thought. At that, I'm sure yesterday is one you'd soon like to forget in your position as moderator here in the forum. You went on to say... At any rate I cannot find any mention that guarantees any comment submitted will actually appear on the website. I believe this "guarantee" is only an assumption or desire in the mind of the poster. If you want free speech on the internet - post it on your own website. I take that to mean "We don't care what you have to say, go somewhere else and say it", when in truth feedback about the subject mater is requested. Provided what we have to say is within the scope of the subject matter, it should be posted as per the sites own request for such feedback. When one sees mindless, pointless, off topic, irrelevant comments being posted, then one becomes incensed about the meaning and purpose of the feedback comment section and it appears nothing more than a hangout for any and all, with no regard or structure about it's stated purpose and intent which is to critique or praise the offering at hand, not throw tit for tat at others or allow clowns to take over the site. If the PTB want this site to be a serious business, then manage and control it like one. Not like the selective 'free for all' it seems to be becoming at the will of the comment moderators for the GOTD main page. It's a learning process to be sure, and the moderation of such should be more professional and scrutinized more toward the intent of the business and it's goals, including moderation of developer/vendors and what they offer GOTD for posting, as it reflects the reputation of the site and management as well. If they want a beta testing site, allow vendors to post crap such as yesterdays offering with no regard for their own (GOTD's) reputation, then by all means continue in the direction it seems to be going and that's exactly what it will become! I personally think properly managed in this regard, this idea/site is and will be the greatest marketing tool for software and vendors to ever come along, bar-none. This is one of the greatest marketing ideas I've ever seen to showcase unknowns etc., but it's current philosophy/practice isn't getting down to business and opening the doors of potential that I think exist here, and IMHO, is being stymied by the very thing we are complaining about. Poor commentation selection about the product offering, and the apparent biased attitude of the comment moderators portrayed through that very act. And finally... If you have got something to say about GOTD or if you have a question or a problem - ask in the forums. That is what they are here for. Unless you are way out-of-line you won't be censored or whatever. Lee and I (the moderators) are users just like everyone else. These complaints have been stated numerous times throughout the forum, and prior to them being deleted/ignored, they were also noted on the main comment page in the early stages a few times. And very little if anything has changed with few exceptions about the moderating practice or the comments that are being allowed for posting on the main page. More of the same old 'he said - she said' garbage, rather than constructive comments about the matter at hand weather they are complimentary or critical. I don't have the answer at the moment, but I could certainly give some ideas about how to better manage it if the PTB have any interest in my opinion and would like to email me to discuss my ideas. Most of which have been stated at one time or another by others here already. I believe we are completely independent and impartial, and not biased at all. As volunteers to moderation of these forums I would agree that your both 'independent, impartial, and unbiased'. Why would you not be? It would serve no other purpose than self righteousnesses to be otherwise. However if you are being an idiot or just saying something completely stupid - don't worry, I'll let you know. :) (And I know Lee will share his feelings on any dumb comments). Looking back on this thread, I'm not sure what prompted that comment. That seems to go without saying as it is your responsibility to keep flow and order here in the forums. Considering I was the main participant/commenter at the time directly prior to this comment of yours, I couldn't help but feel it was somewhat stated in a defensive posture of authority, and again I can't see what prompted this response. I can't guarantee answers - but at least I will be as fair as you deserve. No more, no less. I suppose this final statement can be taken many ways. Directly or indirectly. Combined with my explanation/analogy of the overall statement you made here and it's apparent tone, "as far as you deserve. No more, no less."... again the word 'you' is a directive, and I took it as such in relationship to the overall comment and the pattern of this thread. I simply responded in my own defense. As long as two or more can communicate without blind anger, then we begin to understand one another and eventually bridge the gap to an understanding. We both assumed some things and would certainly like to express deeper some of our comments for clarification, which I think in essence is exactly what we are doing here. I certainly don't hold grudges, so I won't lose any sleep over what's been said here, and I think your of the same caliber (I can't speak of Lee here, because he and I have never communicated and I don't have a feel for what kind of character he is (no offense intended Lee, just the facts)). We speak our minds as best we know how under the circumstances, both attempting to make valid understandable points about what we see and interpret. Neither of us are perfect, and GOD knows language certainly has it's shortcomings for communicating any idea or picture. So with that said, I'm not offended, and I certainly hope your not. Eventually I think we'll come to understand one another's form and comments, and not be so defensive or assumptive about them. I speak at length sometimes (most of the time) in an attempt to make sure what I'm trying to say is not mistaken. However, this doesn't always work, and sometimes as I stated, "It's better to let the fire burn down a bit before stirring the coals so-to-speak". ...and I'm no exception to that rule. I'm as guilty as anyone else in that regard, and maybe a bit more than some. ;) Hope you weren't to badly bruised and abused yesterday. I'd be lying to say I wanted to be in your shoes for the day. To better times for all....... and I hope any bruises you got yesterday heal right quick. ;) PS - The 'blockquote' tag doesn't seem to be working. Either that or I'm using it wrong, which I don't think I am.