I know what you mean 2sweetcamom. Sometimes at the end of a day I feel frustrated that I've still not played such and such a game that I've been meaning to continue for ages.

The only games I've ever really completed fully are the first four Men of Honour series, Colin McRae Rally 04, Lemmings, Prey and Hyperballoid: The Complete set (though I've still to finish off several of the expansion packs (after buying Hyperballoid The Golden pack which contains all the expansion packs ever released plus an extra one that's never been released as an expansion pack apart from the two free packs). If you have the Golden version you can't install the free packs in the usual way (available only from Alawar) but if you install a demo of the complete version (available from Alawar) then install the two free packs, you can remove the database files for both free packs and copy them over into the hyperballoid Golden packs folder :)

There are hundreds of these freeware and abandonware games I want to play, but it's so hard to decide what to play with so much choice I spend half my time dipping in here and there only to find it's time to go to bed before I've even settled on one game. :(

Thanks Wabbit. Yes, it's better but I haven't been back to try that first boss again yet. So many games, so little time!! :) 2sweet

To 2Sweetcamom - Is that better? :)

Hey, Wabbit, I wouldn'r say useless and Whiterabbit in the same sentence!! :) Thanks for the experimentation, albesir. I started it finally and then the boss killed me!
Back to start again!

Take a break, Whiterabbit... you surely deserve it! Sleep in, and don't let that internal "review clock" wake you up. You somehow do more than is humanely possible anyway, so ease up on yourself. And please know all you do is much appreciated, and we'd also appreciate you taking a break! MmwwAA!

Thanks for all the detective work albesir and midori; I just haven't had the time over the past several weeks. Time seems to have become a very rare commodity for me recently; so much so that I hardly get to play the games I purchase virtually every week.

Hopefully the suggestions so far should help. I don't seem to have the same problem with Eternal Daughter, so found it hard to be able to contribute to the discussion anyway. To 2sweetcamom - Sorry if I've been useless.

Lets hope for some good games tomorrow. I've not got the heads up as I usually do, so don't know whether I'll be writing a review in the morning. I need a sleep in, so may not set the alarm to wake me up on the change over. I don't like writing them on the day of the giveaway anymore because I always rush them out and make lots of mistakes; but if I'm in the right mood I'll still do one. :)

Yeah, I do like to help people. Plus, when I'm curious about something, it'll bother me if I don't figure out so I had to figure that one out. Not to mention, being on break from school(which ends next week) I've had lots of free time to look around, so I've been searching away for games(and playing them too). But, I wont have nearly as much time when school starts back, so maybe a few less philanthropic missions and spending hours upon hours playing games. And yes, there do seem to be a lot of people on here willing to go the extra mile for others on here. It's a nice feeling helping others, and it's also nice to see others helping people. Ah, good feelings ;)

Lol, albesir... thanks so much for all your detective work on something you're not even interested in! Though I tend to go on wild goose chases myself to find things for other people, so I know where you're comin' from. Helping others simply feels good! And I do think most on this forum seem to have this strange affliction. ;)

I know the feeling there. Once I look at a walkthrough for a game, I feel like I really need it even more from then on. Though any lost hair I have is from me pulling it out.

Anyway, finishing up the detective work we were doing, I looked around for Multimedia Fusion, and found that it's a 2d engine for games, which is what Eternal Daughter was built with I guess. The -NOF command and other commands, as I said before, are something available to games built with this engine. So, it's not that there was a missing .exe file that was for windowed, it's that that command is supposed to allow for a windowed game. Since there was some success after running it in a different compatibility mode, I'm guessing it's just not supported with the later Windows operating systems(there's a Multimedia Fusion 2 out, maybe that one is supported, IDK). Also, further detective work has yielded no other sources for a walkthrough. I didn't know that site was down, but it seems to be the only place to find that walkthrough, as the only other link I could find was to a website that has closed down. And I think that's all for my detective work for this game, as I haven't even played it much(a mixture of getting into other games, and just not being able to get into platformers very much).

Go for it, delenn... take a helping hand when you need it. I just know when I take a peep at a walkthrough I tend to stop thinking and it ruins the game for me. But some games absolutely warrant them! I hear you about the thyroid... my sis-is-law had hers removed. Take care!

Ok finally http://www.indiefaqs.com/index.php/Eternal_Daughter worked.
Albesir had posted that link further up in the thread. Just last night it wouldn't open. This morning it did..

Yea, Nola, I did the "right" thing also and just spun my wheels.

Midori, when they first discovered my thyroid stopped working, I was loosing hair on my own..I don't need a game to help me do it.

Since I am such a simpleton with these games, now for some reading. Thinking in or out of the box isn't an option sometimes with my pain meds.

Thanks, NolafromNZ! Yes, after going right, I tried taking a left and bopped the boss with the yellow teeth. Lol. But that's as far as I've gotten, tho I haven't played since. I don't use walkthroughs unless it's been five days and I'm down to one hair, but it's nice to know it's there! Thanks for the link!

Hi Midori and Delenn13, I googled for an Eternal Daughter walkthrough and came up with this PDF file: http://www.indiefaqs.com/index.php/Eternal_Daughter

I've downloaded it, but it looks like one that you will have to print out and study! Haven't wanted to think about that, but obviously the first thing you are supposed to do is go left and repeatedly hit a Boss. Stupid me went right and got nowhere.

Thanks, delenn13... seems we're all in violent agreement on this! An .exe files is missing! As the detective table nods in agreement, 2sweetcamom is still hoping for a miracle cure. ;)
Now. As for how to play??? I haven't the foggiest! Been too busy trying to fix it. Tho I do recall having the slave girl jump out of the ditch and save her mom from the guy with the big yellow teeth before I got into the display problem. The control keys are listed somewhere... but I think it's the kind of platform where you walk around and see if someone will talk to you and take it from there. A "search for what to do next." And those usually get easier as you get into the gist of the game. So on with more detective work, it seems. :)

From what I can deduct, the NOF does nothing. I think there used to be, at one time, another exe in the file that would have worked. Seems this game is from 2002 or there about. I tried the classic gaming link and couldn't find anything either and for some reason the indiefaqs link won't either. I know it did beause I have recently added it to my BM's.

I turned on my Returnil and just played with resolutions in Display. I got it to work with the game in the middle and black screen around it with a resolution of 800X600. I am using XP SP3.

Hope this helps.

NOW... To figure out how to play ..... I am such a dolt with these types of games. One day the light bulb is going to come on..I hope. Of course as most of you know the pain meds dim everything.

Hi, albesir... yep, I did mean the game .exe file. I can change the text in properties/target by clicking on it, but you're right... it has to match the actual .exe file to even "connect." So at one point I changed both to -NOF (before the exe), but it came up just as before... gulping up the whole screen. I believe you really can see enough to play that way, but smaller is so much clearer. But I really think those instructions re: adding the -NOF pertain to something that's no longer there, as if there should be another .exe file there for windowed. I noticed some of the older games are set up that way: and .exe for fullscreen, and an .exe for windowed; whereas in the newer games you can choose from the menu. So something is missing there, imo.

Isn't this fun playing detective? Tho in my case, I feel like a bit of a fumblebum. Lol! *|:-b

no, what I mean is to rename the game file, it's originally "Eternal Daughter", and you can right click and rename it to "Eternal Daughter-NOF"(so, yes, it would be before the .exe) And that's the game file itself, not the shortcut. When I just named the shortcut, it didn't do anything, and I'm not able to change the name in the target screen(in shortcut properties) since that file didn't ever exist. I still can't figure out what it has to do with the shortcut, since renaming the shortcut did nothing, and it wont let me change the target of the shortcut, because a file with the name you put in has to exist before it will let you create a shortcut to it.

Anyway, let me know if that helps, or if you have any other questions(and I'll try to answer if I can, though I'm not really that great with computers).

Hi, albesir... thanks for all your experimentation with this. You know what? While messing about with it, I actually did get that black screen with the game window in the middle of it, and it was while I was messing around with resolution, compatability modes, and the -NOF command. But darned if I could remember how I did it and replicate it later. I have Windows XP SP2 (something keeps me from upgrading that), so I'll try what you did and see if I can do it again. BTW, when you add the -NOF, do you add it before the .exe? I.e.: Eternaldaughter-NOF.exe, or Eternaldaughter.exe-NOF. Lol! Being somewhat of a dimwitty about computer speak doesn't help either. :-P

actually, I experimented a bit more and I came up with something.....

if you run the program under Windows 98/ME compatibility mode and then rename the .exe file(not the shortcut) with -NOF(has to be capitalized) you get a kind of window at the top left of your screen, and the rest of the screen resolution is messed up, though if you clickon something else it minimizes the game and returns resolution to normal. If you click on the game again though, it goes to a strange view of the game, which is basically a black screen with the game in the middle of it, surrounded on all sides by black. I don't know if this will help anyone, but if it makes the game smaller so you can see the whole thing, hopefully it will help a bit.

NOTE: I'm running Windows XP SP3, so I don't know if that'll work on Vista computers, or if there are any problems on Vista.

Well, I tried again, and even looked online for some stuff....I did find a place about Multimedia Fusion .exe files that has a list of command lines that you can supposedly use to activate/deactivate features.
http://www.create-games.com/article.asp?id=425

However, Eternal Daughter was specifically mentioned in the discussion and the guy who wrote the article didn't know what the problem was either, so I don't really know if there's a solution. Then, after seeing someone say to try alt+enter(it's a common command for windowed mode I think), I wondered if it was supposed to enable the option and so I tried alt+enter, and if you've changed the name of either the .exe file or the shortcut to include "-NOF" the whole game closes. I don't know if this is an error or something, if it's trying to go to windowed mode and can't for some reason, or if maybe there's a compatibility error but I tried and failed again. I don't remember when the game was made or for what operating system it was originally made, so compatibility could be an issue with some of the command options. So, I searched on the internet for quite a while and tried everything I could think of to try to get the windowed mode to work. I'll try to search a bit more but unless Whiterabbit or someone else figures another way out, I'm thinking it's not possible. Sorry guys.

Thanks, Wabbit, I'd appreciate it!
2sweet

Hi 2sweetcamom, Sorry, I've been so involved in looking for new gamees for the project I totally forgot. Things are getting too manic for me at the moment. I'll try and come up with a solution for you, unless someone else does in the mean time. Please accept my sincere apologies for the delay.

Regards

Stephen

ablesir
Sorry for the delay in replying - work ;(
Thanks for the link :)

Hi Wabbit, I know you've been busy but did you have a minute to think about our problem with Eternal Daughter? We can't get the screen resolution to where we can see enough of the screen to play the game. There is a note that comes along with the game that advises "make a shortcut for the exe and then add -NOF to the target" something like that. Midori and I both went through everything we could think of adding it and nothing worked. Any ideas? Thanks.

This is the only place I could find(though I'm sore you could find more with some more searching) and it's a PDF file you download. It seems pretty comprehensive, but I haven't looked over it that much(since I haven't played the game much, not being a platform games kind of guy). Hope that helps.

http://www.indiefaqs.com/index.php/Eternal_Daughter

Hi all and a happy new year :)
I d/ld Eternal Daughter but can't figure out the aim of the game? Is there a tut on it or where to find options anywhere please? (I know, I'm thick! :)

Hi midori and albesir; it's well past 5am so I'll get back to you later on the above problem. I may forget so PM me if I haven't sorted it by the end of today.

Regards

WR

You're right, albesir... it really doesn't make sense, as there's no programming that would respond to just typing that in. Just changing the names of even both of them does nothing. It's like a command with nothing to respond to it. Thanks for confirming, tho...

As for the music, she went into it naturally, and it's great when kids do that. Perhaps all my singing (hey, kids don't care if it's off-key, lol) and comparing instruments to animal sounds paid off (as in Peter and the Wolf... luv those "duck" and "cat" instruments), but who really knows. But she moved on to teaching herself the piano and guitar! So hopefully the flute was just "resting" for now. ;)

sorry, I tried as many ways as I could think of, but it doesn't make sense to me to change the target name, because that just tells the computer what program to open. There would have to be a program called "C:/.....eternaldaughter-NOF" for that to work. With some games, they were made to be installed and later someone makes a standalone version, so maybe there was originally another .exe file installed, or maybe there was another one in the folder at some point. My computer won't even let me change the name in the target box, so I can't really do anything about it. Sorry I can't be of any help there.

P.S. If he has an old Mark VI, some of them are worth a lot of money. Everyone loves the old Mark VI series, and some of the early ones are more expensive now than just about any new horns you can find on the market. There are some other notable ones worth some money, but that's a deep and highly detailed discussion that seems to bore people that don't care much about saxophones. Anyway, if I ever have any kids I plan on forcing them into playing music(not really, I hope they'll like it on their own, I may make them take it for at least a year, but probably wouldn't force it beyond that). I hope your daughter gets back into it, because playing music is a great thing.

Happy New Year to you, 2sweetcamom! Or I hope the directions work on newer computers... sure sounded strange. And if you change something, it usually has to be done in Notepad or the like in the programming... not on an .exe file or a shortcut to one. So I hope someone can make sense of it. I also tried changing my screen resolutions, but the program just kept gulping up the whole screen. :D